Loose Change Creators on The View May 24th
According to a release from ABC, Korey Rowe and Dylan Avery, creators of the 9/11 conspiracy documentary Loose Change will appear on the May 24th show. Also listed is William Rodriguez, who was a janitor at the North Tower of the World Trade Center, who has since become part of the 9/11 truth movement. The only other guests listed for that date are the winners of Dancing With the Stars, so it appears that the show will not have representatives from both sides of the topic. Rosie O’Donnell has said before that we have been hearing the other side for years, so maybe the show will only cover the topic from one angle. However, since the show line-up often goes through changes before the show is taped, it is possible that they might be adding additional guests. It is also possible that they might have the other side in another segment on a different day.
If you are unfamiliar with the documentary, it is available on YouTube.
UPDATE (MAY 25): The segment did not happen. No word if ABC will reschedule it.
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May 17th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
[...] May 17, 2007Loose Change Creators on The View May 24th According to a release from ABC, Korey Rowe and Dylan Avery, creators of the 9/11 conspiracy documentary Loose Change will appear on the May 24th show. Also listed is William Rodriguez, who was a janitor at the North Tower of the World Trade Center, who has since become part of the 9/11 truth movement. The only other guests listed for that date are the winners of Dancing With the Stars, so it appears that the show will not have representatives from both sides of the topic. Rosie O’Donnell has said before that we have been hearing the other side for years, so maybe the show will only cover the topic from one angle. However, since the show line-up often goes through changes before the show is taped, it is possible that they might be adding additional guests. It is also possible that they might have the other side in another segment on a different day. http://www.watchingtheview.com [...]
May 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
I thought PHYSICISTS were supposed to be brought on the show. God, I can’t STAND Rosie O’Donnell.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Thanks Rosie for standing up for 9/11 truth!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Rosie,
what happened to “we’re going to Harvard?”
The Loose Chance boys are a pretty distant second-choice to a qualified expert, don’t ya think?
I would have thought that when it comes to building collapses you would want to talk to a structural engineer or a demolition pro.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Rosie, you’re going to embarrass yourself. These people are not even experts for god sakes! They’re the creators of a documentary that they (the creators) admitted was not even based on fact.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
In response to ronnie who wrote: “I thought physicists were suppose to be brought on the show”, I do not have to be a pyrotechnic engineer to identify fire as fire, by the same token what my eyes saw, with all of my faculties of common sense intact is WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 come down at a freefall speed with no structural resistance whatsoever, and this is not possible unless the buildings were demolish by explosives. I do not have to be told what to believe about the attacks of Sept.11 because what I saw is contrary to the official conspiracy.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Marc Villa: if the buildings came down in “freefall speed” then why was debris from the towers clearing outpacing the collapse itself? Was it have rocket-boosters on it?
And if the collapses were so obviously demolitions then why do twoofers have such a hard time finding demolition experts who agree? Are they all in on it to?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
For Pete’s sake!..with all the investigation the “Loose Change” boys have done regarding the complete 9/11 tragedy….with the exception of Griffin….there are no better experts than Dylan, Jason and Korey.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Dylan Avery on Hardfire: “We made that film essentially as a bunch of kids. That’s the reality of the situation…I would be the first to admit that our film definitely contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims, and it does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts.”
If that’s one of your best experts then who would be your worst?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
That was in regards to “Loose Change 1″..get your facts straight…since then they have spent day and night gathering facts and hard evidence. And the release of “Loose Change Final Cut”, due out this September, will be strictly evidence verified by DRG.
Don’t bring up old quotes and try to push them off as current.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
That quote from was actually a Hardfire debate last December. In other words, after LC#2.
Typical poor research skills that you twoofers are so famous for.
As for DR Griffin (Mr. no air-phones on Flight 77)….are you telling me that the LC boys are getting a THEOLOGY prof to review a movie about building collapses and plane crashes?
They couldn’t find a few engineers?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Yep………..thought so……….go to name calling..that you JREF’ers are so famous for.
Yes..he said it on Hardfire in December. Go the dictionary and look up the word “essentially”, it will put the statement into perspective for you. And as far as “conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts”, its because they are asking for a new independant investigation to determine the true facts. They aren’t saying they have all the answers, they say they are looking for them…get it straight.
Typical poor research skills….
May 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
By the way..this is not a forum..its a commentary soooo…
Done with you…say goodnight Dick…….poof!
May 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Dylan’s “essentially” was in relation to their age (ie essentially a bunch of kids) NOT their claims. He admitted his movie contains errors. There’s no perspective here, just a brutally honest admission from a kid who knows his movie if full of crap.
As for wanting a “new independant investigation,” I’ll ask you the same question I always ask twoofers who bring that up:
Who would you trust to conduct this new independant investigation? Who should pay for it?
Name me some engineers and demolition pros whose conclusions you would trust regardless of what they said.
NIST, FEMA, MIT, ASCE (140,000 strong) are all government shills covering up mass murder according to you guys.
So who does that leave? Give me some names.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:43 am
First Rosie says she’s going to find physicists to explain the WTC collapse. Today, she announces she’ll be having a film school dropout and a janaitor.
That’s her definition of “scientific inquiry”. =P
Hey “ro”; “Popular Mechanics Debunking 9/11 Myths”. Look it up.
You dumb malignant bitch.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Physicists or not, it doesn’t matter. These kids have brought a sheer volume of serious questioning that needs to be clarified, almost 6 years now and no clear answers.
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm
May 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am
I think half of Rosie’s weight is “B–l S–t.Did any one ever think that maybe the Terrorists(yes Rosie call them what they are)planted explosives in the toweres before they hit them??Especially since they tried to blow up the tower before and it did not work.And do you realy think that getting out of the war will stop the terrorists from comming here to continue it?HOW STUPID ARE YOU??I think since you think so much of these terrorists you Rosie should go to Iraq and vomite your ridiculous opinions to them personally so you can get a first hand look at how respectful they are of women.While you are there they can teach you how to strap on a bomb and blow up a building,market place,school,hospital,Church,all with alot of nice INNOCENT men,women,and children.I bet you would like that right??When was the last time you saw an American” Deliberately” do that??Maybe if you had lost your family member in one of the towers your Big,Fat,Uninformed mouth would not be so widely open!!Or, maybe we will be very lucky and you will blow yourself up watching your buddies the Terrorists making some more bombs.After all you stated” they are just”humane beings like us”on your show.Thank God you will be off the air soon.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Thank you, EB for posting a link to a HOLOCAUST DENIAL website (serendipity.li has a large section devoted to explaining how the jewish people framed poor Hitler for mass killing them).
The one redeeming value about these 9/11 “truthers” is there habit of telling too much truth. Fact is, Rosie and her Nazi friends wouldn’t be obsessing about WTC7 if it weren’t for the fact that it’s owned by a jewish person.
HIEL ROSIE!
HIEL ROSIE!
HIEL ROSIE!
May 18th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
@ Marc:
My point is that Rosie said she was bringing in physicists and engineers. She is not doing that. Period. End of story. Stop reading more into what I said.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
These “Loose Change” guys don’t even believe their own horse sh*t. If they did, they would live in mortal, pants-crapping terror every moment of their lives. Every cab driver, every waitress, every postman, every repairman, ever pizza delivery guy, you name it, would have to be feared as a possible undercover assassin sent to silence them.
All they are doing is trying to make a buck. It’s a shame they’re doing it on the backs of 3000 dead and the suffering of their friends and loved ones, but what can you do.
Dylan Avery is doing his dead-level best to forever brand himself as a crackpot who will never be anything other than a paranoia pimp like Alex Jones and holocaust denier nitwits.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
911 Was an INSIDE JOB
1. Military Standdown
2. Controlled Demolitions
3. No plane at the Pentagon
There is no statute of limitations for MURDER! We DEMAND an independent investigation of the 911 crimes.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Daniel John, dumbass… I’m a canadian citizen.
Did you know that NORAD is a joint military command run by the US and Canada? Did you know that 25 canadians were murdered on 9-11?
Could you please explain to me why Canadian Armed Forces personnel would help cover up the murder of thier countrymen to help some rich americans get even richer? I would LOVE to see you explain your “military standdown” bull$#!+ to Canadian soldiers in person.
I have the deepest respect for our american allies as well, I would enjoy watching you try to insult the honor of the United States Air Force to their faces almost as much.
May 20th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Where did the plane ,that “didn’t” hit the pentagon, go? and what about the passengers? We’re they all in on ‘IT’ also?
If I ever meet a Trutherdroid in person…I will kick their ass.
May 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Way to go RO!! It’s about time someone who is not afraid to tell the truth went on national TV. Dylan Avery is a man we all need to listen to!!!
May 21st, 2007 at 12:21 am
Does Rosie choose who will be on the View? I guess she does. I can not believe that ABC and the Network executives would allow this to air. Do they realize that families who lost loved ones will have to endure this crap? And for what, a little money and ratings. ABC is VERY low.
Questions are fine, but where I ABC, and I wanted to do a show like this, I would have only very good EXPERTS.
I’m ashamed of ABC, and the View
May 21st, 2007 at 1:29 pm
I’ve read many of the posts and Marc Villa stating “I do not have to be a pyrotechnic engineer to identify fire as fire” is pretty much what I’d think of the conspiracy theorists war cry, ‘I don’t have to be an expert’, or a professional, or knowledgeable. Except Marc, being an expert with fire and heat would have helped you understand why the fire, what it did.
All this “truth” what “really went on”, but no explanation why thousands of structural and aviation engineers, architects, and true, real and knowledgeable experts haven’t jumped on the conspiracy band wagon.
By the way Marc, pyrotechnics experts are best at dealing with fireworks, Fourth of July, special effects, not structural fires.
May 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Anybody with 1/4 of brain knows that 9/11 was an inside job, the victims of that day are screaming at us!!! for every American in the world to please pull your head out of your you know what, and simply examine the FACTS!!!! to hear the retards on this page
discredit 9/11 truthers and Rosie really lets the world know what little thinkers you are (Patriotism is the love of ones country,not the worship of government.
May 21st, 2007 at 3:38 pm
No engineers? No people with knowledge backing up the need to investigate these questions?
Hmm… guess you haven’t looked at http://www.patriotsquestion911.com. Now, after you’ve looked at that site, you might have something worthwhile to say.
May 21st, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Mama, did u really read through that website. From what I could see, not a single engineer, just people with high and mighty backgrounds who SPECULATE about what happned. Just like you, just like any truthers. President Bush did not pull the trigger for 9/11. President Clinton did not pull the trigger for 9/11. It was done by terrorist. Read up on both sides of the argument. I have, and those who SPECULATE on what happened on that fateful day, just keep running around in circles, bitching about this and that.
Nunyu, show us ur facts. Come on.
Heat weakens metal, yes even steel. (how is steel formed???) 767’s going 600 plus MPH, full of fuel impact buildings designed for 737 impacts. Bigger aircraft, bigger fuel payload. That part of the Pentagon had just been refurbished to withstand a major attack, directly against it. An aluminum tube traveling at 500 mph hitting a solid, reinforced wall disintigrated. There were human remains strewn along with the jet parts. Flight 93??? 500 MPH dive straight into the ground. Boom. Gone. Do you remember the Air Trane crash that did the same thing in the Florida Everglades? It disappeared, and it was NOT going as fast. Boom, gone. Bits and pieces of humans and jet were found. Nothing much more then that.
Being a Patriot has been demeaned by those who hate our current President. It doesnt mean ripping the President, the troops, or what happended on 9/11. It IS love of the country, backing our troops in a war that has been brewing for thousands of years. 9/11 was done in the middle of the Islamic Jihad. It began against this country in 1979 with the take over of our Embassy in Iran. 28 years, we have been at war, and it was finally realized on Sept 11, 2001. Look at the attacks against this country. We have been closing our eyes to this problem. It has been through the administrations of Carter, (Distracted by the Cold War, but drop the Shah like a hot potato, hence the take over of the Embassy) Regean, (distracted by the Cold War), Bush 1, (Did something against Saddam, but not enough)Clinton (To busy ignoring obvious facts, and messing with interns) and Bush 2( not sure what he would have done if 9/11 had not occured, but he did what needed to be done, and still needs to be done. Open Borders is another matter all together). This country is a great country. I tire of igits who think we killed our own on 9/11. We didnt. The Islamists did, and now we are fighting the fight of our lives.
May 21st, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Jerome Jerome, Pleeease, if you have taken the time to objectivly look at any of the factual evidence presented all over the globe, you would not be posting such.
Facts:
1)Steel and concrete do not turn into dust,
(from jet fuel,carpet,and paper,) not hot enough,or explosive enough it’s called physics.
2) Two 6 ton titanium jet engines do not evaporate either, (maybe they snuck thru the hole at the pentagon, but I doubt it.)
3)Flight 93, nothing at all, just a hole?
HMMM? what does that mean? Boom nothing, no bodies, no plane parts, no black box, just a hole. and some burnt tree’s (after the fact)
4) WTC 7, oh just pull that sucker at 5 pm,
it’s got all that CIA, FBI, ENRON crap in
it who care’s. ( it takes WEEKS to prep for controlled demolition, not hours.)
We need to take at look at who benefits from war, I know, you know, it’s this NASTY club called the Industrial Military Complex, it’s been around forever, but NOW its mixed with drugs, oil, and all kinds of people who stand to gain financially (as they always have)from a War.
I could ramble on forever, about all the crooks in the Govt, but it will do no good, things are going to be different this time, they crossed the line and did not factor in the power of the world wide web, which will ultimatly be their demise, as the info is
SO far ahead of the (Patriot Police) like yourself, that the Govt will implode on itself, kinda like the towers, but not that fast.
Yes there are middle eastern terrorists, yes they hate us, yes they want to attack us, but did they pull off 9/11, not a fat chance in HELL, yes we are fighting for our lives,and that’s the sickest saddest part of this whole thing.
GOD BLESS all of the victims of 9/11,and our troops overseas, and may America wake up and take back our country, and restore it to its original state of a true Democracy.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 am
Nunyu, would you please identify for us exactly what “CIA, FBI, ENRON crap” was in WTC7 that couldn’t have fit into a paper shredder or taken down the freight elevator and loaded onto a truck.
Why does whatever evidence you think was there need to have a 47 storey building dropped on it when other means would have drawn less attention?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Hey Hoser, can’t ya come up with a better request than that?
May 22nd, 2007 at 6:16 pm
A simple “No, I have no clue what I’m talking about and cannot answer your question.” would have sufficed.
May 22nd, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Alberta…heres your evidence and i’m not sure what you were trying to imply that the people who wanted these documents destroyed could have simply pulled up to this highly secured building and carry out the incriminating documents related to the investigation of their corporations…http://www.wanttoknow.info/010917nylawyerwallstreetsecfiles
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Everybody’s gotta learn sometime.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:59 pm
They couldn’t “pull up a truck to this highly secured building” but they could send in secret ninja teams of demolition experts to tear up thousands of square feet of floor coverings, drywall and furnishings to install thousands of explosive charges then put everything back together again all in a building that was occupied 24/7 without anyone noticing anything out of place?
You’re retarded.
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Alberta,then why did it collapse? you tell me?
No other buildings EVER have completely collapsed from fire, why this one,why three in one fukin day? tell us all please, I’m been looking for better answer, so if have one lets hear it. And don’t tell us the steel melted from the HOT HOT HOT FIRE.
If FIRE brought down Buildings, Demolition Companies would go out of business, we could just Light them up and watch them fall Right?
DeBUNKER Retard
May 24th, 2007 at 2:14 am
WTC7 was struck by a large amount of the debris from the twin towers, possibly as much as 5,000 tons or more.
It then burned out of control, with major fires on nearly every floor for several hours.
No building anywhere can with stand that kind of punishment.
No secret ninja demo teams necessary. Just massive physical damage and heat warping of the remaining structural supports.
May 24th, 2007 at 4:01 am
Firfighter on 9/11 saying that the collapse of WTC7 can’t be stopped because the fires can’t be put out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdebunking911%2Ecom%2Fpull%2Ehtm
May 24th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Alberta> You show me fires on every floor of WTC 7…………… Fires couldnt be put out because there were no firefighters in WTC 7 at all……………. If WTC 7 can’t withstand that much damage, please explain how WTC 6 and WTC 5 still stood? WTC 1 and 2 landed on WTC 6 but yet it still stood.
Your being brainwashed Alberta………. Do some research before you start qouting FOX and CNN.
Also how the hell did BBC report WTC 7 collapse 20 minutes before it happened. Who wrote the press release on an event that hadn’t even happened yet? Use some common sense Alberta.
Its obvious you have done zero research. You are naive and gullible. Grow up.
May 24th, 2007 at 10:27 am
well…I wonder why this interview was “COVERED UP” with a presidential news conference…hmmmmm….I wonder if the president is afraid that the American people will learn the truth of his conniving ways….it makes one wonder….
May 24th, 2007 at 10:31 am
the fires couldn’t be put out…Alberta…because they weren’t your average everyday fires…They were ignited by Titanium which was planted in the buildings before hand. It was a controlled demolition, my dear. The Bush administration is demented!!
May 24th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
I hear naieve and gullibe are requirements for hosting the View…
May 24th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
alberta_doesnt_know_what_a_patriot_is:
It’s obvious from your posts that you haven’t done the slightest bit of objective research on the topic of 9/11/01, it’s causes, perpetrators or consequences. When you consider that none of us that currently believe that our government facilitated the attacks dreamed this up on our own, how do you explain that we have come to the conclusions that we have? The answer is: we read the evidence presented by engineers and others that present questions that the government has gone out of its way to avoid, stonewall and suppress. We were of open minds, willing to consider any rational explanations for the events. None have been forthcoming. “Debunking 9/11″ has been debunked (see DRG’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking”). If you haven’t bothered to read all of the evidence, you’re nothing more than a closed-minded ideologue, contributing nothing to the debate. Your posts are worthless. Unfortunately, this site doesn’t have an “ignore” button so that I could easily skip your posts. Just makes for more scrolling. After reading 2, the rest weren’t worth my time.
May 24th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Does any one know when they will be on? I guess willy chose to do this at a later date. I give ABC alot of credit for giving the other side a chance to express the facts on 9-11. We are america open to all speech regardless of content or not. The liars that have covered this up have a sinking ship thanks to the internet and people that are willing to check into things on there own. Alberta stopped responding because he has no explanation for his views. The truth will be out. The families of 9-11 and our US troops deserve an answer. May they rest in peace.
May 25th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
[...] government orchestrated this to prevent Rosie from giving the “Loose Change” zombies a platform. digg_url = [...]
May 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1
The Truthers are nuts. The single most significant fact against these crazy conspiracy theories is that not a single person has surfaced who claimed to have been involved in the conspiracy before the event. It would have taken at least hundreds and maybe thousands of people to pull off the most difficult conspiracy of all time and yet not a single one of those people have come forward. Or did the government just hire people to kill those people (and then hired people to kill those killers, etc.).
Nobody who placed the thermite bombs. Nobody who set the charges to blow holes in the Pentagon to fake a plane impact. Nobody who worked in any of the numerous air traffic control agencies who saw the original places fly out to ocean and be crashed so that government planes could be substituted. Nobody who planned any of this stuff.
Those of you who jump on people who think that maybe, just maybe, Arab terrorists crashed those planes, and tell them to read up on the facts, how about you go read the Popular Mechanics website linked above. They even put out a short book on the subject. Highly recommended.
Of course, the editors of Popular Mechanics are probably in on it too.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
[...] Update: Expect plenty of accusations from Trutherland that the government orchestrated this to prevent Rosie from giving the “Loose Change” zombies a platform. [...]
May 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Oh, and it’s funny how most of the Truthers think that Bushitler is incapable of stringing two words together in an intelligible sentence, but he _is_ capable of the most elaborate and successful coverup of all time.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
The 9/11 truth movement does not think, the prez was the only one calling the shots? c’mon this is about big money, big oil, protecting the holy land, etc etc etc, the corruption runs SO fricken deep, its is a cancer that cannot be treated with Bactine for Gods sake, we are gonna need Chemo for years.
The comment about Popular Mechanics? give me break, WHO has controlled almost all of the media in the US forever, (they aren’t singin southern gospel.)Look up Edward Bernays, and his uncle Sigmund Freud, this has been going on along time brothers and sisters, mind control thru many many forms, and it obviously is working better on some than others, after reading the some of the posts it is quite evident you people will never ever figure it out, and will be hypnotized your entire lives, (but I read it in Popular Mechanics so it must be true)HOLY SHIT!!!
May 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Wow. If Post #50 doesn’t prove my tag name, I don’t know what would. “Mind control.” Something about Sigmund Freud. Protecting the Holy Land? What the eff are you talking about?
Quick question: If the government, big oil, Darth Vader, whoever, was willing to rub out over 3000 Americans for 9/11, why haven’t they rubbed out some significant number, like even _one_, (like, maybe, _you_), of you Truther nuts to promulgate the cover up? Why haven’t the Loose Change guys ended up at Abu Grhaib or Guantanamo?
You must spend all your time trying to hide from the guys in black, moving from house to house, using disposable cell phones and faking IP addresses so they won’t find you and kill you to help cover up the conspiracy.
Your self-delusion is exceptionally breathtaking.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Post 51# Patriot Policeman, If you read something besides Popular Mechanics and the Bible you would be aware of what’s going on around you. And not just believing in everything in your sick little world.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
I often wonder why people think it is necessary for Rosie to prove herself with scientists, structural engineers, physists, survivors testimonials, and witness, fire, police and ems statements. When anyone can easily search the internet and look at the mounds of evidence themselves..
Its pretty pathetic when we need to edjucate people with the truth using baby steps.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Nunyu Bidness,
1. I am not trying to police anyone. You are free to believe and say whatever you want. It is incredible to me that it is the Right in this country that is continuously labeled as the people who want to shut down discourse, but it is almost always the Left that actually does it. Look at Rosie, she couldn’t shout down Elizabeth so she took her ball and went home all pouty, but only after trashing her offices. You are free to believe and spout whatever delusional nonsense you want.
2. While I am nominally Christian, I have not read any portion of the bible since High School which was a regrettably long time ago. It figures that you automatically assume I’m some kind of Fundamentalist or Born Again. I am neither. For truth in advertising I am an agnostic Republican, an attorney, and pretty sure I’m not under some form of mind control.
3. At least in my “sick little world” the government and big oil aren’t out to kill thousands of us in some grand conspiracy to run up oil profits. Look at this objectively; who’s more likely to be right? I’d be a _lot_ more afraid of Google than Exxon if I were you.
Bonus question: Why hasn’t the government “disappeared” a bunch of your Truther pals?
4. Insofar as you accuse me of believing anything I read in Popular Mechanics, I suppose it’s a matter of actually using logic and reasoning. The story they tell, i.e. that the events happened just like we all saw, makes a whole lot more sense to me than the fantasies you and your ilk spin from a few intentionally misinterpreted facts. The MASSIVE weight of the evidence is that those nineteen bad guys got on those planes, hijacked them, and flew them into buildings, or at least tried. The fires weakened the structures of the buildings, and then fell under their own weight. WTC 7 was fatally undermined by the falling debris and fires from its internal generator fuel tanks ultimately weakened it and it fell down, too. The Pentagon was hit by a plane which, while going nearly 600 MPH and flying into a fortified masonry wall was more or less vaporized on impact. Flight 93 was forced down by the heroic people who tried to fight back. This is simple, logical, and fits all the known facts.
5. The single great question I have been waiting for the Truthers to answer, and they never have so far as I am aware, is: Where are all the conspirators? Not the one or two witnesses after the fact who said they “thought they heard explosions.” I want one of the thousands of people who had to be involved in setting the bombs. Somebody who faked the air-traffic control messages. Somebody who planned to take over the commercial aircraft and fly them out to sea. Somebody who has the job of policing the rest of the conspirators so that nearly six years later not a single one has given his story to the press. Where are these people?
I’ll tell you where they are. They don’t exist. There was no grand conspiracy. Believing that there was is lunacy. It is not in Human Nature for that many people to keep that big of a secret for that long.
There are thousands of you Truther nuts out there scouring the earth for any evidence that supports your crazy theories, and yet your side has yet to identify a single such person. Why not? Answer that with something other than “the government got to all of them” and maybe, just maybe, you’ll have yourself a valid argument.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Dr. Sanders,
Not quite sure whose side you’re on, but the point of using scientists, physicists, engineers, and the like, is that they actually explain what happened. Without scientific evidence, one way or the other, then you’re going on faith and belief, which will not get you anywhere no matter which side you’re on. Ask Nunyu Bidness about the evils of strong faith (at least strong Christian faith).
May 25th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Truthers R Nuts, wow a Lawyer, I’m impressed,I know great lawyers, who are not smart enough to eat vegetables to save their own lives, but that’s besides the point, actually I’m getting tired of bitching back and forth, just for shits and giggles (since you mention google) search 9/11 truth at last look it it came up with 1,790,000 matches pro and con mixed, can we all be wrong, delusional and nuts?? I doubt it.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Figured you wouldn’t answer the questions. I’m not at all tired of ‘bitching’ back and forth. I know there’s tons of 9/11 Truth sites. I’ve been to plenty of them. Most of them seem to just point to each other as if Truth can be proved by merely repeating the same silliness.
Answer the question: Where are the all the conspirators?
May 25th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
If we knew that the crime would be solved.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Hey look I found some
http://www.democrats.com/node/12446
May 26th, 2007 at 10:00 am
The guys who made “Loose Change” need to have their balls bashed
May 26th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
The scientific, engineering, physics and other evidence to prove a conspiracy far exceeds the evidence which proves the governments “story”.
People are beginning to appear more ignorant than unedjucated when it comes to this issue.
Don’t trust Loose Change do the research for yourselves.
May 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
“Its pretty pathetic when we need to edjucate people with the truth using baby steps.”
-Dr. Phil.
Ummm…. no, using professionals with bona fide creds is not taking people on baby steps.
It’s what most people in this world consider an education. If you want to learn about something, anything, you don’t ask a couple teenagers who know how to use youtube to their advantage, well, most don’t anyway. Most prefer to learn from experts rather than children.
You can distrust the “official” version as much as you want, but it certainly won’t make you educated.
And the more I read comment sections like this one, the more I’m convinced of South Park’s genius.
Maybe 1/4th of Americans really are retarded.
Truthers R Nuts, I hate to say it, but all your effort (and you’ve done well) is for naught here. They don’t care to know the truth, because the truth is much more frightening than believing this country is vulnerable to attacks from nutjobs who want to spread Shariah law throughout the world.
By the way, any Truthers care to answer the question of how those two kids are still alive after they’ve exposed the all-powerful government’s secret, a secret that claims the government has no problem killing nearly 3,000 innocent Americans and pinning it on some Arabs?
Are we really supposed to believe that two college kids can use UNCLASSIFIED government documents to prove the government is behind the worst attack on civilians in this nation’s history and yet remain UNAFRAID to have their piece of crap movie made into a big budget film?
And are we really supposed to believe that the government is powerful enough to do 9-11, but NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO STOP TWO KIDS?
Can one of you Truthers square out that round peg for me?
May 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Nunyu,
Thanks for the crap link. Of course, that didn’t actually link to anyone who claimed to have been involved in the planning or execution of the 9/11 attacks.
Again: There are no such people. It is impossible that after all this time not a single conspirator would not have come forward. Unless the government killed them all and then got their families to not complain about it.
They didn’t do a very good job covering up the facts behind Pat Tillman’s death and that’s one guy, and they only had a few other people who had to be kept quiet.
But all of this is kind of secondary. Something I should have brought up before:
To fit the Truther story, between 500 and 2,000 people would have had to have been involved in the elaborate planning, execution, and cover-up of the 9/11 attacks, including the President, Vice-President, probably the heads of NSA, CIA, NRO, etc.
Do you, Nunyu and Dr. Phil, honestly believe that that many people are sufficiently evil to have been willing to participate? At least a few dozen of them would have had to have known the full extent of the conspiracy.
For your version of the facts to hold up, you have to believe that all these people are pre-meditated mass murderers on a scale not seen since Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot (oh, and Saddam and the Iranian Mullahs).
Do you believe that? Do you believe that President Bush conspired to murder over 3,000 Americans? Dick Cheney? Condolezza Rice? George Tenet? Probably the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee? At least some members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
What about the air-traffic controllers? Other commercial pilots who heard the cockpit radio from the hijackers? Dozens to hundreds of specially-trained demolitions experts who wired the buildings? The dozens of guys needed to guard those other guys while they surreptitiously planted the charges (without anybody who worked in those buildings, including those building’s own substantial security forces, being any the wiser)?
What about the individual air force pilots who either flew those planes into the towers, or who shot planes down, etc.? Their commanders who gave those orders?
Just how much evil are you prepared to ascribe to these people?
Isn’t it a whole lot more reasonable to believe that 19 Islamic fanatics, working on orders from a few dozen more similar scumbags, took advantage of our relaxed security rules and took over those planes?
I cannot understand why people will believe massively complicated and self-contradictory conspiracy theories when the actual truth of the matter is so simple and obvious.
By the way, Dr. Phil, you’re the ignorant and uneducated one here. The NIST, Popular Mechanics, FAA, etc., have mountains of scientific evidence and the Truthers have small, random, and intentionally misinterpreted details. If you’re going by weight of evidence, the “government” version is massively stronger than the Truther version. It’s not even close.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
P.S. Kelly, thanks.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Wow Kelly and Truther nuts I think are falling in Love:)
If you people took the real time to look at more than 3 Minutes of any 9/11 truth movemment material you would not be so stuck on “Loose change” which is really the first of many many many documentaries, why hasn’t the gov’t killed them, or anybody else exposing this GOOD QUESTION???
There are educated people that would wipe the floor with both of you kel and TrutherN, who have dedicated there lives, put their careers on the line to bring this to the surface Dr’s, Lawyers, Professors,and other highly educated people doing this for free and for the slight chance we may save our Fukin country, our children and grandchildrens futures are at stake, and before you go talking so much trash you better learn the Facts.
Here’s a little thing for you to remember,there is Film as we speak being produced called ZERO” which is ONLY using factual, evidence that can be backed up in a court of law, the meaning of the name, they started from Zero and will not use any material that will not stand up in court!!!
9/11 truthers are people who simply can see thru the corruption, its not for fame or profit or whatever you think we do it for?? which really blows my mind, and the comments being made?? we all support the troops,many of us are former military? so what gives with all the bashing?? are you people really believing everything the gov’t feeds you?? if you do, I feel really sorry for you because you are going to feel like shit once this is over and the truth comes out, which it is going to, I can guarantee it!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
What I don’t understand about the far left wing conspiracy theorists is that on one hand they’ll want you to believe this administration and this president is a bunch of bumbling idiots, then on the other hand they want you to believe they masterminded one of the biggest mass murders in history. So, which is it, he can’t be an idiot and a evil master mind genius. I’ve always believed conspiracy theory believers are people who can’t accept reality. Back in the day there were people who believed FDR had prior knowledge to the Pearl Harbor attacks and allowed it to happen. This just goes to there will always be crazy people out there.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Nunyu,
Where are the conspirators?
Do you think that all those conspirators would have been willing to murder thousands of their fellow countrymen?
All I’m asking for is a name and citable reference to the first question, and a simple YES or NO to the second. I’m not surprised you won’t answer either.
How about finding, instead of lawyers and professors of philosophy from junior colleges, some actual mechanical engineering professors from reputable universities to support your sides’ claims?
The only one, Dr. Jones (a physicist, not engineer) from BYU has been repudiated by his own university’s engineering department. He also thinks (and has been published on this point) there is evidence that Christ himself was in the New World preaching to the native Americans.
The other widely cited “professor”, Griffin, who has written a couple of the more well-known Truther books, is a professor of philosophy and theology. I’m sure he totally understands the intricacies of metallurgy, kinetic energy impacts, etc. I sure as hell don’t know this stuff but I’m prepared to listen to the people who actually do - and they all, to the last, agree with the “government” version of this story.
Your side has no credibility since you can’t cite any solid science and you can’t find a single witness to the actual conspiracy. Your “Scholars for Truth” are a motley collection of non-scientific nuts, and not a single member of the “Scholars for Truth” are from any university engineering department.
You say that 9/11 Truthers are people who can “see thru [sic] the corruption”, but you are utterly blind to the entirety of the scientific evidence supporting the “government” version of 9/11 and the massive logical flaws in your side’s position.
You so badly want to believe there’s a grand conspiracy, that you avoid the massive weight of evidence, rely on a few details which have, to the last, been debunked, and merrily go on believing it’s all the government’s fault.
Couple that attitude with “Dr. Phil” who comes right out and says scientific evidence isn’t important, and you get a clear idea that you Truther people are the ultimate examples of people not letting evidence and fact get in the way of your theory.
Frankly, it says a lot more about your general mental condition than it does about what actually happened on 9/11 that you are totally immune to the actual scientific evidence and that you are totally unwilling to confront major issues with your side of the story such as:
Where are the conspirators?
p.s. No reference to the movie Zero can be found on Google. Any cite?
June 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
http://www.zeroinvestigation911.com/IlFilm/Perch%C3%A8/tabid/73/en-US/Default.aspx
June 4th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Here they are,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6720374854549743402
June 11th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
One more time here they are!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2894821400057137878&q=aipac
August 27th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
You know I have heard so much about this “JREF” that I was a member for a short time. I was flabbergasted by the manor they try to establish their holier then thou intellectual snobbery and terminally self righteous arrogance.
First I did my own background check into Mr James Randi. Impressive HE DEBUNKS MIND READERS !! When I saw them saying Sylvia Browne is a con artist, my Immediate thought was “YA THINK!” Once I saw Jerome Post I had enough, heard enough.
Randi is Liar and a Quack in his own right. http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html
I get that the JREF crowd See’s themselves as intellectuals who predicate their “fixed opinions” on what seems to be a Doctrine of Critical Thinking. They have not exhibited an iota of facts themselves. NIST? I know about it and have read the convoluted expression of evidence that can’t begin to satisfy the kind of forensic investigation required for any of this,
to ever go away.
These “kids” you talk about have inspired a movement and whether they are amateurs or as your condescending description suggests, “Kids”. They don’t give us IDEAS they remind us that we are not alone in the first impressions we had that tragic day. It would be presumptuous to even ask if my qualifications count. I know none do,, not to any of you with the exception of those you approve of.
I agree with much of Dr Phil’s ( not the TV guy) opinions, It is painfully clear that NO ONE would be “good enough” an expert unless they already had the same “Randian” indoctrination all of you display.
You attempt to shame these people by saying that they are doing this on the backs of 3000 dead? Let me tell you something you NITWITS.
I ran one of the triage in that bloody mess and YES WE DID HAVE CDI Officials there. YES COPS, FIREMAN, AND STRUCTURAL EXPERTS CALLED IN TO ADVISE FIREMAN IF IT WAS SAFE ENOUGH TO GO IN AND ATTEMPT RESCUES ON FLOORS THEY WERE LEARY OF.
THEY WANT THIS INVESTIGATION.
You ask why they aren’t on this show that show. Once I saw Bill Oreilly with guest Dr James Pfetzer on his show. Apparently he had him there JUST TO CALL HIM NAMES.
Pfetzer didn’t get a word in edgewise.
BILL was behaving more like a boorish blowhard with a bad case of flatulence and a BLOW HOLE PROJECTILE VOMITING A BUCKET OF PURE STUPID.
I WAS PATCHING UP PEOPLE THAT HAD THIRD DEGREE BURNS FROM EXPLOSIONS THAT WENT OFF LONG BEFORE WTC7 FELL IN THAT INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS ” FREAK OF STRUCTURAL PHYSICS” display.
Imploding pulling in on itself in a nice neat pile. Most New Yorkers already have known about the shady dealings of Quicksilverstein, so nothing would surprise me regarding him. One of the guys from the bomb squad told me during one of the few 2 min breaks I was on, that he had heard 7 was going to be pulled. Let me ask you something JEROME,, If you heard someone say that as clear as a bell, then when you asked them to elaborate, they said ” Ya know Kaboom” with his hands steepled and then gesturing a cave in, would you be talking so sure of yourself?.
I fear that you STILL would be as hard headed as you are naive.
In case,, that means,, I think your occipital area would stand up to those planes better then the building did
Your assertion that the Government would execute Avery or Rowe IS a concern. Had they not such a following of people in all walks of life just salivating at the chance to launch this thing into major headline news. I think that is unlikely now. Like most of the things the government misses before they discover the foul up, It shows up on the internet.
You say the idiots BUSH and company are too stupid to do it yet expect us to think amateurs did it. Then when the government is suggested, THEY AREN’T IN IT IN ANYWAY. NONE.(I’m crying laughing at some of the things I’ve seen Governments do.
YOU COME UP WITH THIS CRAP about using paper shredders to destroy securities documents, classified and top secret information as an alternative action to deploying a demolition.
I have seen with my own eyes that what you suggest requires so many security protocols just to move one file to another. You would think it was documents drenched in nitroglycerin floating in a bottle and handled by a parkinson’s sufferer. Demolition of a building like that with so many loose ends affecting so many with the money, influence and connections, yeah makes PERFECT sense.
YOU try so hard to ridicule these people with such extreme prejudice that I WONDER MYSELF IF YOU AREN’T GETTING PAID FOR IT?
Know that the little sardonic grin on my face is there because I know you do this kind of shit for it’s own sweet sake.
You remind me of the Hitler youth or a renegade round-up of redneck homophobes who got stuck in San Francisco for the weekend and your all out of anti conversion creme.
They had so many BOMB sniffing dogs running around that day and while the brass in the Canine Corps were all yelling “Get the Bomb Canine OUT OUT OUT” The owners or Dog handlers would later stop by for a variety of cuts and abrasions, they all knew what was going on. HELL WE ALL KNEW!
Proving it is now unlikely. I don’t know who is involved but it sure stinks to high heaven. The bullshit they were doing to keep independent study from independent minded people like us.
It was so obviously a rush to dispose of the evidence you would have to have seen it to believe it. Well, I seen it.
So debunk me. It is what we all expect and while you high-five each other thinking you got the best of the brain surgeon,,
I will always have the memories and experience that convinces me this was nothing like the “Official” account records
NO WAY.
Excuse me,,Critical Thinker, YOU WEREN’T THERE!
You will never have heard the hundreds of Fireman and Policeman saying “something is not right something is going on and its bigger then just some “towel heads” forgive the reference, “towel heads” but that was said a lot.
Among many other terms of endearment where one would think such prejudice would welcome the idea it was as simple as that.
Curious about the JREF clique, I was forwarded the most childish agenda for majoring in minors I have ever seen on that forum.
Seems debunkers were to sign up at as many “twoofer” forums as they possibly could. Then while posing as truthers make wild outlandish theories so far out that they would legitimize Sylvia Browne in comparison.
They were encouraged to be as rude and belligerent as possible to everyone even among other truthers.
Naturally Randi would have to give up his Bogus $Basheesh$ if ever proven that people have super powers. Hey that is just such a risk isn’t it? Ill GIVE A BILLION IF ANYONE CAN PROVE THEY ARE SUPERMAN!
This was ostensibly a mission of sorts so Machiavellian in it’s machinations to exacerbate efforts to weaken 911 truth credibility it astounds me.
This was to “shut them up” once and for all. I left JREF after that. I was more of a spectator there and never felt like getting into that tit for tat exercise in splitting hairs via field emmision scanning
What is so repugnant about that plan whether they ever really carried out or not,, is THEY are so against conspiracy theories yet conspiracy planning ,, well,, that’s another story, another double standard.
You people wouldn’t know the truth regarding 911 if the evidence fell like a piece of I BEAM and hit you in the head.
I would like very much to see some heads roll and so far even the master planner of 911 has been walking around with some babe in paki-pallisades unfettered unencumbered by any threat from us. (Colleagues)
Anyone else wanting to see some arrests for tampering with evidence and obstruction. Judicial Watch etc,
Do the research and ignore anyone J ust R epeating E rroneus F acts
Seriously,, you TRUTHERPHOBES what ever they call you.
You need to get back to filling those large fries and up sizing those shakes. Let the REAL Scientists do the work and quit asking us to seek your goddamn approval about experts you have to approve of.
None so blind as those who refuse to see.
I assume you ask for this proof but knowing where it’s coming from you close your eyes and minds to it just after the request is granted.
You people don’t make policy so quit acting like you have any influence or make a bit of difference. You are hobby haters on a forum of wannabe Phd’s I think most ignore your demands for proof as we know it wouldn’t matter if it was BUSH’s signed notarized confession with the home movies too.
It isn’t your obligation to take that much interest in a people you demean castigate and ridicule by there association to a damn website then label them like some sophomoric punk with a grudge to bear.
twoofer? tsk tsk
Such an indication of your ages and maturity level.
911 truth, 911 review 911 research,
You just got yourself one more Doctor with a generous heart and DEEP POCKETS
James Randi pffft charlatan, liar, as I recall one of the biggest saps with a Phd I knew of worshipped that scam artist with a silver toungue and a good grasp of Scientology vernacular then when he is kicked out of scientology org because he wasn’t given his OT-8, he quits. Then makes up stories about Ron Hubbard. Randi was one of the biggest ass kissers there ever was in that silly group of self proclaimed mind healers.
Betcha didn’t know that did you.
I know, where is your proof.
I got my proof to satisfy people who know what proof is. YOU DIM WITS ARE NOT CRIMINAL LAWYERS OR JUDGES so don’t dismiss the evidence that the truth movement has as bunk when it most certainly qualifies in a court of law. We will see it entered in a court of law inspite of your attempts to supress it .
You are only postponing the inevitable
while looking like stooges enhancing your ego by belittling others.
Let me share the sentiments of those in the Academic Community you concientiously emulate
like some Wannabe’s
Bunch of Bozo’s
Ellizette Duvall
August 27th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
http://www.avisishealth.com/Default.aspx?tabid=247
September 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Why is Elizabeth Hasselbeck allowed to trash Barach Obama’s wife, what an insult to thhe future first lady. Hasselbecks raspy trashy mouth spoils the show. An honest discourse is something, but her persistant rail about Democrats is offensive.
Plus
If she was sent to the Republican convention and allowed to make a report on the convention, why was’nt there a Democratic representative sent, I know Joy .or. Whoopie could do the job
September 16th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I have been a fan of the view since the beginning. I TIVO and watch in the evening. I have to say I am so tired of Elizabeth’s
rudeness and disrespect to the rest of the ladies and to anyone who does not share her views, it’s uncomfortable to watch . As of today I am done with this show. I am a reg republican and I am embarrassed by her .
Why is she allowed to continue in this manner?
October 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am
Im so tire of elizabeth.