The View December 3rd Recap: Charles Gibson and Genie Francis
Today on The View, the first topic was Barbara Walters’ special that will air this Thursday at 10:00 p.m. eastern time called “The 10 Most Fascinating People of 2007.” Among those interviewed is Don Imus.
Don Imus has a new radio show that started today, which features two African-American co-hosts. He said on Barbara’s special that he was not doing this because he felt guilty, but because it was an opportunity to diversify the show and make it better. He said that he wants to make sure that he does not cause the women from the Rutgers basketball team to regret that they forgave him.
Whoopi said that she is glad that he is back on the air and that she knows from her past experiences that an incident like what happened with Imus teaches you who your friends really are. She said that she had friends tell her four years ago that they could not be seen out with her anymore.
Joy Behar will be hosting Larry King Live again tonight and the topic will be Don Imus. She said that comedians often get a pass for the things that they say and if they did not, they could not do their craft. The difference was that Imus is not a comedian.
Whoopi said that if you want to help a child this Christmas you can go to the post office and get letters from children to Santa and get them a gift. Sherri asked how you know it from a kid and not just a grown-up who want a bicycle. Joy questioned the wisdom of giving strangers a child’s address to send them a gift. Whoopi said that if you have qualms about it, then don’t do it.
Mitt Romney is going to explain to everyone what Mormonism is prior to the Iowa Caucus. Sherri said that she wants to know about his religion because a president’s faith is important to her. Joy said that she does not care what religion a president has, unless it interferes with secular beliefs, like denying an abortion on religious grounds, citing to a case Governor Huckabee handled. She also thinks that the 10 commandments are a good list of morals to follow.
Barbara said that Romney said at the debate that he believes every word of the Bible, while Rudy Guiliani said that much of it is allegorical.
They revisited the topic of the British teacher in the Sudan who was arrested when her pupils named a teddy bear Muhammad. Barbara asked what would happen in this country if a child in a public school named a toy “Jesus.” Sherri said that she would not have a problem with it, because anytime you can talk about Jesus it is a good thing, unless you are taking him name in vain. She said that others might have a problem with it, noting that, except in the Hispanic community, people do not name their children Jesus. Whoopi thinks that people would just accept that the little kid wants to name his bear Jesus and not deny him the right to cuddle and love it. Barbara thinks that parents would complain, saying that it was irreverent.
Charles Gibson appeared on the show. He doesn’t understand “what the fuss is” about naming the teddy bear Muhammad. He said that the class chose the name, not after the deity, but to name it after another child in the class named Muhammad. Charles believes that Mitt Romney is going to talk about Mormonism because the polls are against him in Iowa. He thinks it is probably a good idea. He added it would probably not be an issue if Romney were a Democrat, but he is appealing to the evangelical Christians and needs them to understand his believes. Charles also said that the tenants of Mormonism can change, whereas Catholicism is unchanging, so people might be concerned about that.
Charles doesn’t think that we will know until February 5th whether the Iowa or New Hampshire primary is as important as people think. He said that a candidate can get California, after losing Iowa and New Hampshire, and still do well. Charles said that he hopes that Oprah Winfrey’s campaigning for Barack Obama does not make a bit of difference and people will decide for themselves.
Charles does the voice for a reindeer on an Elmo Christmas special and now his children think that he is a success in life.
Genie Francis appeared on the show to promote her Hallmark movie The Note. She lost weight using Medifast. She is “Laura” of Luke and Laura General Hospital fame. She is upset by the fact that they brought her character back from a coma to “cash in” on having a wedding and then sent her back into another coma.
In her new movie, she finds a letter written by a man to his daughter before a plane crash. One of the thoughts in the film is what would you say if you only had a few seconds to live. Hallmark has a website for people to express their thoughts on the concept at What would you Write.
The View, Barbara Walters, Charles Gibson, Whoopi Goldberg, Sherri Shepherd, Joy Behar, Mitt Romney, Oprah Winfrey, Barack Obama, Medifast, Genie Francis, General Hospital, The Note, Elmo, Sudan, Muhammad, Don Imus
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Couldn’t believe that BW referred to JASON Timberlake! That woman is an embarrassment! And she also said something like she’s having on Victoria Beckham AND Posh! At least be familiar with the people you are using to plug your special!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 pm
I don’t buy the statement that comedians are allowed to get away with any statement being racist or otherwise. They give themself a pass with their own approval. I didnt like the Sarah Silverman shtick on Brittney Spears where I felt she crossed the line. But on the other hand, Lisa Lampanelli is the most shocking with racist statements but I find her hysterical. I think because she also makes the same statements about herself.
I do have to say that I am glad Imus has a second chance. I think this teaches a good lesson in thinking before you speak and now he employs 2 african american co hosts. Thats a great step in the right direction. I dont believe people should have the rug ripped from under their feet without a chance at redemption. I hope this is looked at as a good example on how to fall and get back up gracefully.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:20 pm
I missed today’s show, so hurray for recaps!
How was it? From what I’ve read, it sounded like the HT had some substance.
I don’t think “glad” is the word I’d use to express what I feel like at the idea of Imus being back on the air, “relieved” might be more accurate.
That whole thing was about freedom of speech, and how it can backlash, and how there can be consequences to what you say. However, I thought firing him was OTT. Suspending him, and forcing him to make public excuses should have been enough, IMHO. So I’m glad-ish, that he’s working again, but watch your mouth dude!
What he said was bad, But I’ve honestly heard worse. What usually comes out of the ever-so-gracious Ann Coulter is way often below the belt, but somehow, that woman seems to get away with murder, she makes the most incendiary comments, and the day after, there is little more than a short mention about it at the end of the news, if that. I don’t get this woman at all. I’m thinking if noone challenges her on the crap she spews, it has got to be because noone takes her seriously. But I digress (again).
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
The only problem I had with Imus being fired is the fact that many other people have said far worse and still continue on. Maybe it depends on what network you’re on. Why is it that Bill O’Reilly, John Gibson, and Glen Beck can get away with saying racist things on a daily basis, but Imus was fired for his remarks.
We should hold anyone that makes disparaging remarks about someones race, religion or sexual preference accountable.
The difference between Imus and the other people mentioned above, is Imus was against the war and spoke out about it on his show.
Of course what he said was offensive, but Faux News making false claims about Obama’s childhood was also offensive.
Glen Beck asking the first Muslim congressman to “prove to me that you are not working with our enemies” Is also offensive.
I believe that Imus’s firing was more about politics and less about the hurt feelings of people within the African American community.
I also feel if the women he directed his remarks towards forgave him, everyone else should move on too. I feel the same about Dog the Bounty hunter, If his sons girlfriend forgives him , the issue is over and done.
It’s up to the networks if they’d like to associate with this or that person. I simply wouldn’t watch a show or listen to a radio program if I thought that person crossed the line.
It’s about freedom of speech, say what you want as long as you’re not advocating violence and I’ll exercise my right to tune you out if I find what you’re saying offensive.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:24 pm
I did get the chance to watch the show today, and I enjoyed it.
I thought things went well myself. There was a little cross talk, but still i understood everyone.
I really enjoyed Charlie Gibson, as I’ve always liked him. I found that his thoughts and comments today are pretty much a reflection of mine.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 pm
I too am fine with Dom Imus being back on the air. I as well was not in favor of him loosing his job. A public apology yes, Suspension for a time, yes, but being fired, no.
I think we all need to be very mindful of others in the things that we say.
I believe that Imus’s firing was more about politics and less about the hurt feelings of people within the African American community.
I agree with that, politics, and money.
By politis I don’t necessarily believe it was because he is anti-war though.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Here’s an interesting commentary on this subject: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/byron-williams/injustice-in-black-leader_b_75014.html
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 pm
When is Babs’ special on? She’s gonna be pimping the heck out of it until it airs I guess. Yeay, something to look forward to during HT.
And how fascinating are the fascinating people on her list? Not that much if you ask me. From what I’ve read, it seems to be mostly entertainers (and for the love of God, Posh? Really? Posh? The skinny woman who made a career for herself by pouting? Oh well, different standards for different people I guess…!)
Personally, when I think fascinating and 2007, politicians come to my mind. Folks like Hilary, Obama, for instance.
But really, to me, what would have topped the cake would be if Babs had had the balls (yeah, right) to put Rosie’s name on that list.
Rosie got a lot more airtime than she probably thought or hoped, she spent months in hot water, she provided Fox News as well as many other “news” outlets with material for half the year, her words have been spun every other way, her name has been dragged through mud, she pissed a lot of people off, but she kept us talking, not only about the show, about many serious issues.
I spent a significant amount of time last night downloading YouTube vids from when Rosie was on, and it broke my heart to see how exciting, substantial and informative it was. What a difference a year makes!
And FYI, one of new year’s resolution is to get over Rosie.
But still, Babs should put her on her list, in the top half. Rosie deserves it, and though I doubt Ro would have given her an interview, to me, it would have at least signified that Babs had taken the high road.
Which I don’t believe is her style, unfortunately.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Rosie should have been on the list. If it wasn’t for her EH would still be just another former survivor contestant.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Perhaps Rosie will be The Most Fascinating person who they keep under wraps until the last minute. That would be very cool!
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:57 pm
I have not watched all of the show today but I just want to comment right now on something. When they (the View hosts) were discussing the candidates at the Republican debate regarding the question of did they believe all the words in the bible, I think they got the candidates mixed up. I recall it was HUCKABEE that says he believes every single word and Romney who said he believes and tries to live by most parts and that some other parts are was allegorical (sp).
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Ellyn
I doubt BW would ever be that cool.
December 3rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
I watched the entire show. It was not too bad. I really wish Barb would have stayed home. Boy, she really drags the show down.
When Barb was talking about her special and mentioned the Becks, I don’t think she meant Victoria AND Posh, I think she was making note of who Victoria was. I remember one of the other girls piped in “Posh” while Barb was recounting who would be on and Barb repeated it. At least that’s the way I heard it. The Jason Timberlake part wast a complete gaffe. I was embarrassed for her. I got a few chuckles out of Sherri’s save though. She said “but JASON can be on next year!”. LOL that was funny.
I really wish Charlie Gibson had been on a lot longer.
And Laura from GH - I did not even recognize her!
December 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm
I also wish Bawa had stayed home today. She is like the forever den mother..correcting her little chicks constantly. When Whoopie gave away free shoes and was talking about AIDS, before she had time to connect the two, Bawa could be seen bending over the table telling her to explain why they were connected. Whoopie would have done so probably without being prodded..at this point I’d had enough of the Bawa thing and went to another channel and learned how to grow old gracefully.
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Stacee,
I concur with your analysis.
I just want to add that..and this is NOT to Stacee, or anyone in particular…just me blabbering.
I myself, personally, have a hard time critizing Barb. The show does go slower when Barb is on.
I just try to remember that this is a live show..and Barb seems to be having a hard time articulating some times as quickly as might be needed for the live format.
It’s just my opinion, but I think she tries to keep up, and that seems to make matters worse.
Barb is a senior citizen, and I’ve spent a lot of my life among many seniors. I have found that it is very beneficial for them to keep active and keep doing the things that they enjoy, and the longer they can do their jobs the better for them.
Just something to ponder. I have a very soft spot in my heart for seniors,…so I just felt I wanted to say this.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Sandy, I am baffled by the ferocity of the complaints about Babs. In short, I just don’t get it. Having said that …
I have plenty of complaints about her myself, and could be accused of speaking out of both sides of my mouth because I can easily laugh at her and see through her, and at the same time I think some of what she says is interesting, of value, and that overall she shouldn’t be tossed out with the bathwater. Especially just because she is old. (I have my own reasons for maybe wanting her to be tossed out, but old ain’t it….)
At times it frustrates me that I can’t defend those things about her that I think are not worthless without sounding like I “admire” her or her “type.” The grande dames of Park Avenue (or thereabouts) are SO not me, it’s not even funny. But I would have less respect for her if she were nothing but one of “the ladies who lunch.” I admire that she works. And she is hardly senile or drooling. Take a look at those guys on 60 Minutes. Or Larry King!
I have rarely seen her Oscar specials or her fahb-ulous people specials and couldn’t care less about them (or the people she interviews). Not my thing. I thought she was no worse and at times was better than John Stossel and whoever else was on 20/20. In other words,I’m not a rabid Babs fan.
It is possible to think it’s okay that she talk about her journalism background (the others talk about their past as well) and that she cross-promote her ABC work and at the same time not be “fawning” over her or “admire” her. I just don’t know how to explain it. And it wouldn’t reallly matter, expcept the old-fashioned feminist in me cannot forget what a hard time she was given by the Archie Bunkers of the world when she dared to be a co-anchor in the 70s. We haven’t come all THAT far. Look at the uproar over Katie Couric. So I just don’t get the calls for her to “stop talking about” her past. As if it meant nothing. I just don’t get it. And it makes me actually very sad. She’s not the epitome of the women’s movement, but she is very much part of its history.
I also think she shouldn’t be singled out as wildly inferior to or different from the legions of vapid, superficial people of all ages in the media. When I look at the younger ones on the cable shows, I cringe. Babs may take a minute to say what she wants to say, or may get a name wrong, but she not a newsperson in her prime, after all, and compared to those ancorettes (male and female), she is much better spoken. I’d rather see her repeat a story about someone she interviewed years ago than see some twit on a cable news show ask the most obvious, pointless, repeated questions in their interviews or in their on-air prattle with their cohorts.
I’ll never forgive Babs for dumbing down the hot topics and going with the status quo. But that’s another story. As long as she’s there and not there every day, I’d just as soon be reminded of the leaders she talked to than hear about the bugs that EH ate on Survivor.
I happen to think, like you, that in general old people are interesting, but even when they are not, I don’t think they should just “go away” and not be seen or heard from again. Jeez louise. What is Babs supposed to do? Hole up in her all-red apartment (according to Rosie’s description) and drink herself to death? Like you said, it’s to her benefit that she keep on plugging away.
To anyone else who reads this and doesn’t agree (and I know that is eveyrone!), I hope you know I’m not thinking of anyone in particular … I’m just thinking of all the posts collectively that keep complaining so strongly about Babs more than anyone or anything else on the show. God knows I have screamed bloody murder over EH, so I hope you know I’m not complaining about the complaints. I’m just not understanding them. Since Sandy brought it up, I thought I’d answer her and not leave her hanging out to dry….. So, over and out. For what it’s worth, that’s my nickel……
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:03 pm
I just wanted to add that I love Archie Bunker…for no reason except to say I do.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 pm
For me, it’s not a case of ageism (as EH would say, lol). When Barb speaks, she takes the looong way to get to the point. She tends to make a point without making a point. Her voice absolutely grates on my nerves. I hate the whinish, shrillish influx. My biggest pet peeve about her is that she seems so hesitant in taking a stance for fear of offending someone (possily a potential interviewee, I don’t know). It’s annoying and I notice that when she’s on the show it feels like there is a speedbump in the road every 5 feet.
She also strikes me as a big phony.
Yes, I realize she paved the way for many women in journalism and made it possible for many of us to be taken the seriously in the workplace. She deserves honor and admiration for that. However I just don’t feel this is the right venue for Barb now. Maybe if this was a 2 hour show I’d have a little more patience for the antecdotes and the name dropping and knowing who she boozed and shnoozed at the Uppercrest Restarant last night. But time is limited, particularly Hot Topics and I just dislike when she wastes it on her zzzzzz stories.
She’s good as an interviewer in her one hour specials. But IMO the daily, impromptu, unscripted, upbeat conversations around the table is not her stong suit.
By the way, I am not knocking those who are fans and enjoy her being on. I just prefer when she’s gone.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Oh and I forgot to mention: I think it’s good Imus gets another chance. I am also intrigued by his new format. It should be interesting to see if he ‘bounces back’ and is a successful radio host again.
It’s interesting the points made about WHY HIM. I had not thought about the political angle. Hmmm….
Also, was it really a year ago that he got into trouble with his comments?
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 pm
I don’t think it’s been a year. His unwarranted firing happened in April.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 pm
I hate it when the co hosts say EH is just too young…I wasn’t that stupid at 30. EH sees life as black and white. That makes her naive and as a result not an empathic person. Her life experience is limited.
I know this thread is about Babs, but I just had to throw my two scents in about the “young one.”
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 pm
New Linda Says:
‘I don’t think it’s been a year. His unwarranted firing happened in April.’
Yeah, I did not think so. I think I heard the ladies on the show today say it was a year ago for the Imus thing and thought no way could it have been a year. I checked Google after I submitted my question earlier and sure enough it was April that it occured.
Speaking of Google, why can’t the ladies just do a search about Mormanism themselves. Especially Sherri, saying she wants to learn. A surefire way is to pick up a book! Do some research, there is a ton of info on the web. That way you’re armed with at least some basic knowledge to weigh against what someone else tells you.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:06 am
“I think I heard the ladies on the show today say it was a year ago…”
This is a big pet peeve for me about the show. Opinions can vary. They can be smart. They can be uneducated. That’s all good.
But these ladies don’t always have all the facts on matters that are undisputable. This is a minor example, but it gets on my nerves.
p.s. even if you heard wrong and they didn’t say it was a year, i still stand by my statement.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Well, just to throw my two cents in…
My problem with BW is not that she’s old, it’s that she BORING. Live, unscrpited television about potentially controversial topics is NOT her strong suit. As an interviewer, with all the time in the world to talk, and and editor to cut out all the long pauses, she’s great. But she’s just terrible on The View.
True, she’s done a lot for women in her field. Yes, she’s a trailblazer. She’s also got a lot of talent left in her. Just not on this show. Bottome line…Stick to the interviews, Barb. It’s time to put The View behind you.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:46 am
You guys made a lot of good points about Babs.
I’ve been blasting her quite a bit myself, actually.
First, a few good points about her:
I hope I’m as sharp when I’m approaching my eighties.
She is indeed a good one on one interviewer. I haven’t seen a ton of her specials, but I’ve seen a couple and they were interesting.
She is undeniably a trailblazer as far as women in the TV news industry are concerned, and this something I will always deeply respect about her.
However, and Peaches, you said a lot of what I feel about her in one sentence:
“I’ll never forgive Babs for dumbing down the hot topics and going with the status quo.”
Yep. And not only that, I find that for me, over the last year, she has also dumbed herself down in the process. Her shameless brown-nosing to the Hiltons (the HILTONS!) really put me off. All that fuss around that bleached airhead drove me nuts, and this is really what started my beef with her.
What pisses me off with Babs and the View, is that she wants all the good stuff that Rosie brought with her (the ratings, the publicity around the show), but she doesn’t want the negative aspects (the controversy, the feuds).
And that, I can take. And in that case, I think she could have gone back to the old format, a lighter kind of show, with a similar vibe to the Meredith/Star days. It would have been hard, I reckon, because I always got this feeling that when they hired Rosie, the View crossed to the “dark side”. Personally, I quite enjoy the dark side, but that could have to do with the fact that I’ve listened to loads of heavy metal -and still do, though not quite as much-.
So yes, it would have been difficult to go back to a fluffier version of the show, but still feasible, I think.
But instead of that, she went and hire Whoopi, who is known as a rather controversial and outspoken woman. However, she won’t let her get anywhere near the deep water. Which makes me want to ask: Why go with someone like Whoopi then?
Because she knows Whoopi will bring in ratings. However, to me, it’s extremely frustrating to see women like her and Joy muzzled on TV.
And I guess that’s when the age, or let’s call it the generational factor comes into play. The face of TV has changed a lot, talk-shows are getting a lot more bombastic now than they were previously - or so I believe -, and with Rosie, the audience got a taste of that more abrasive, in your face type of TV, and I guess that as a whole, the viewers enjoyed it and want more of that. And I think that Babs is having trouble to get with it. She has her own idea of what she wants her show to be like, and it clashes with the public’s idea.
So she’s trying to go with the ‘little bit of both’ strategy, which is clearly not working very well.
Either go back to the old format, or throw those pesky earpieces and the trash and let the ladies go at it. The way I see it, the status quo situation is a cop-out, and I’m mostly mad at her for that.
As for her anecdotes, I’d much rather hear her talk about an old interview that really marked her rather than the same old stories about non-eating jet-setters.
One last comment, and I’m off to bed (that high-speed internet thingy has been gnawing at my sleeping time a little… a lot).
I quite strongly dislike Bitsy, EH, however you want to call her; her as well as pretty much everything she stands for. Sherri strikes me as a much likeable person. However, as far as the View is concerned, I prefer Bitsy to Sherri, I just find her to be a better fit for that type of show, she’s more opiniated, more confrontational, and that, IMHO, makes for better talk TV.
K, I’m done, good nite all!
December 4th, 2007 at 1:44 am
Peaches,
your post was outstanding! I must admit that I too have been annoyed by BW. Not because of age, but for other reasons. I wonder if it hurts her to have three…well two quick witted comedians on the panel with her. My grandmother just turned 82 last month and she’s not slowing down at all! She still goes fishing and she walks around the block every day.
“My biggest pet peeve about her is that she seems so hesitant in taking a stance for fear of offending someone (possily a potential interviewee, I don’t know)”
Stacee,
Do you recall her saying something to Rosie about bashing American Idol. I can’t remember how it was worded, but it was something about bashing people then asking them to appear on your show. I think she does try to avoid criticizing people for the reasons you mentioned. That’s her style, she doesn’t like confrontations.
I use to watch Imus in the morning and he worked his butt off to get Fisher House open for our wounded troops and their families. At the time he , Rosie and Keith Olbermann were the only voices speaking out on a daily basis against the war. Now Imus is gone and you know Rosie is too. That’s why I always thought his firing was politically motivated.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:55 am
I guess I’m just not into Jerry Springer tv. Confrontation is fine, but it’s the manner in which parties play the game. Not listening, shutting the other person down, going into a discussion with a belief that the other person can’t make a valid point…sounds as though EH, Bush, and Rosie have a lot in common.
Although it may not seem like it, I adore Rosie. But I’m not blind to her faults.
December 4th, 2007 at 6:45 am
I must be older than everyone as I see BW in a different light. Yes she tenaciously navigated the waters of the men in television journalism, but we don’t know how and it has been reported she clawed her way to the top. That never bothered me until I saw how she handled Star Jones announcing her departure.
I think the show was feeding the NY Post about Star’s departure and about Rosie. I was never a fan of Star’s, but neither woman deserved the treatment that Babs gave them behind their backs or on air. Roger Friedman
has also said she is known in the industry as opposite of her on air persona.
My final beef with Babs is her pr work for the Guiliani tryst. Nothing can whitewash Judith and Rudy’s treatment of his family and she seems to defend them routinely. Couple this with telling EH she is the best young host they ever had (hello Lisa Ling!) and she is on the bottom of the food chain for me.
These things have nothing to do with age, it is her character that I question.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:59 am
Bawa Bashing– speaking only for myself. I do not dislike Bawa because she is old. I find the show less authentic when she is on. She totally shepards the topics of the show by saying “Oh they are a friend of the show”, or “let’s move on to something lighter” And sister friend– do not even get me started on the way Star Jones was treated. In fact I boycotted the show initially after the Star Jones event and took a long while to warm up to Rosie. I turned myself around on Rosie when I started to pay attention to the sound bytes of the things that she would discuss and defend. She spoke out loud and strong about this war and was in defense of the many issues that affect minorities and women and it was a new day a new show and I felt informed and though I didn’t agree 100% with the things that Rosie said, it was refreashing to have a voice to issues many do not want to recognize exists. I do not like the way Bawa treated Rosie, and believe she said those things to Donald Trump about never lay down with dogs or pigs or whatever she said. I think the show could do so much without her at the helm. Like increase voter registration among women, lead protests against the war. It could be much more than fluff and with Bawa and Geddes driving the bus, it will be a snooze fest and delegate women to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen fetching their men a Budweiser. *Disclaimer– excuse the typo’s and the run on sentances. I am in a bad mood this morning let’s hope it gets better before the end of the day. However– I still will not be a fan of Bawa. On a totally different note ( whoppie transition) You have to give Brad Pitt a round of applause for all of his efforts in New Orleans. I lost favor with him for the whole Jennifer Aniston thing– but I think it is WONDERFUL what he is doing and hope more stars step up and donate in the millions of their own personal funds like he has done.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:00 am
“I guess I’m just not into Jerry Springer tv. Confrontation is fine, but it’s the manner in which parties play the game.”
I’m also not a fan of the Tv confrontations, but I do feel that people who have supported this administration have behaved like bullies from day one.
Then when the other side stands up, they’re told to stop bashing Bush. How is it bashing to point out the flaws in Bush’s policies.
If Kerry had of confronted the Swift boat liars for Bush head on, he probably would be sitting in the White House now. Instead he choose to take the high road.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:07 am
“Oh they are a friend of the show”
Yes that does get tiresome. Perhaps she shouldn’t comment at all if she is friends with the person they’re talking about. It makes it difficult for the other ladies to really voice their opinions. I think sometimes they’re holding back because BW is there.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Avoiding confrontation isn’t taking the high road. It’s cowardly.
That’s not what I meant in my post.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:04 am
What I LOVE about the Guilliani matter is that those people who say a person who cheats can’t be a good president (because of his/her low moral standards) are now backpedaling because Guilliani is their candidate of choice.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Misslingdow, You said you were in a bad mood today…hope you are feeling better. I must say that I enjoyed your post very much and as you say with “Bawa and Bill driving the bus” we can’t expect much excitement. I also liked when Rosie complained about our being in a war in Iraq. Like her or not that is what many Americans are thinking about.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
“I also liked when Rosie complained about our being in a war in Iraq. Like her or not that is what many Americans are thinking about.”
I agree.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
“I do not like the way Bawa treated Rosie, and believe she said those things to Donald Trump about never lay down with dogs or pigs or whatever she said.”
I totally believe it too.
I think Babs will be tough as nails when it comes to business. I doubt not for one second that she’ll steam-roll all over anyone who might be a threat to her plans or ideas.
I’ve never been a fan of Star Jones (I had the misfortune to start watching the View when Star became simultenously engaged and very annoying and self-obsessed). However, the way ABC and Bbs handled her firing really sucked, and I don’t blame her for one second for trying to get back at them by “outing” them, for lack of a better word.
So I have no problem imagining Babs bad-mouthing one her panelists, if it’s gonna please “a friend of the show”.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Oy.
I think my point was missed.
I wasn’t arguing that Babs should be admired or respected. I’m not a fan and didn’t suggest anyone should be a fan. It wasn’t about any of that. I’m not sure how to explain it, and I don’t even think it matters, given all the other pressing concerns we have in our own lives and in our country and the world.
The negative points you’ve all brought up about her are nothing I haven’t thought of or mentioned already. I certainly agree. But that wasn’t my point.
This is an especially pressured time for me and I just don’t have the patience or time to try to explain myself in an Internet forum. Nothing beats real-live conversation, for me, because you can explain more quickly & easily if you have failed to make your point.
So many interesting people here; I agree with so many things you say, even if I dont’ take the time to cut and paste each thing and say so.
I especially appreciate Aileen’s comments today about Roe. Thanks, Aileen.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Rainlillie:
You are my hero!
December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Peaches,
I believe I understood your post concerning B.W. and for the most part I agree with you.
As well I believe that others might have misunderstood my post, it wasn’t about others not finding fault with her because of age. (or because of age)
It was more just a comment concerning senior citizens. And remembering that many seniors are not what they were at a younger age. It’s hard for me to explain, but I’m not only referring to her slow speech, or mentioning a wrong name. There is a lot involved on many levels.
Anyway, we all have our different views and opinions. Which is a good thing.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:38 am
“Rainlillie:
You are my hero!”
Likewise!
December 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Sandy, if anyone misunderstood your post about Babs and age, maybe that’s MY fault. If I took liberties with the points you were trying to make, I’m very sorry. I used your post as a jumping-off point for my own dog-and-pony show. Just another late-night rambling from the top of my pointy lil’ head……