The View February 21st Recap: Jessica Lange and Joan Allen
Today on The View, the first topic was the news that John McCain may have had an inappropriate relationship with a lobbyist, Vicki Iseman. He spoke this morning and said that he knows the woman, but didn’t have an affair with her. Joy Behar said that because she is a lobbyist it is a bit tricky. Elisabeth said that he is the least likely to take favors for something. She said that this exposes the liberal basis of The New York Times and these are unfounded claims. McCain was one of “The Keating 5″ and the article talks about how he has worked over his career to overcome that involvement by being the most ethical person. Barbara said that it is a shadow that follows him. Elisabeth said that she thought he was released from that. Barbara said that he did not, but he did not go to jail for it.
Joy said that if the Times were out to get McCain, wouldn’t they have brought it out earlier before he all but secured the nomination? Elisabeth said it is more awful that they held the story, because if they are a newspaper, they should have brought it out when they learned it. Elisabeth said that Times is erring on the side of being a tabloid, because the story was on the front page and not even in the op-ed section. Whoopi said that it shows that it starts hitting the fan when you get in the forefront. She said that is why she can never run because of what is in her closet and under her foundation. Joy said that this is deja vu like what happened with Bill Clinton. Barbara said it is not the same thing. Elisabeth said that he has a right to defend himself because they are on the attack.
Joy said that she wonders if there is any chance that the story against McCain may have come from the far right-conservative movement like Rush Limbaugh because they don’t want him as the nominee. Elisabeth said to leave no stone unturned to see who gave the story. Sherri said that she feels for Cindy McCain because she had a similar experience. She said that Cindy is publicly having to support her husband and hoping to God that he isn’t lying.
The Barbara Walters Academy Awards Special will be on this Sunday, prior to the Academy Awards at 7/6c. The show will follow the awards on the West Coast. The guests are Vanessa Williams, Harrison Ford, Miley Cyrus, and Ellen Page. She showed a clip of the interview with Ellen Page and Barbara said that she “didn’t get” the music of “The Moldy Peaches,” which are featured in her film Juno. Ellen said that at the core it is beautiful music. They showed a clip of the Harrison Ford interview where he talked about having passed up a lot of roles that when on to be quite successful. They then talked about how good looking Harrison Ford is and Joy said that it is because he has his hair and didn’t have plastic surgery. She added that Ed Harris is good looking, too, even though he is bald. Elisabeth said, “I like bald.” Sherri said that Harrison looks like he could come work on your house and lay some pipe.
Jessica Lange and Joan Allen appeared on the show to promote the film Bonneville, which also stars Kathy Bates. The film follows the three women who take a road trip to go to a funeral. Jessica said that this film is “random” in that it has three great roles for older woman. She said that there are dry stretches in career and it is tougher for women in the industry as they get older. She said that she bloomed early and is fading. Joan’s production company is called “Little by Little” which is how her career has gone. She has done several “long-suffering” roles, like Pat Nixon, and imagines it is difficult for Cindy McCain.
Jessica said that they had fun working together. It was a first time director for the film so it was kind of a “leap of faith” to do the film at first. The three of them working together was a security that they needed to do the film. Joan said that the theme of the movie is about friendship and it is a road movie. It was filmed in Utah. The three characters are all Mormons and Joan’s character has never really been out and about.
Jessica said that she works hard to make the choice to be happy. She has been studying buddism and there is a choice that you make at junctures in your life and she wants to respond in the most positive way. She doesn’t want to be an old cranky woman.
Joan said that it is her daughter’s 14th birthday. She said that her daughter has a good sense of herself and a healthy image. She understands that if her daughter gets upset with her, she realizes that it is usually not about her. All three of Jessica’s children are now out of the house and she is “lost” and doesn’t enjoy it. It is the case even though they are close by. Jessica has two granddaughters, aged 2 and 4.
Joan said that she is more settled as a human being now and has more experience and self-confidence which has helped her work as she has gotten older Jessica said that she is able to concentrate more on her work now that the children are now out of the house. She said that like any craft you get better as time goes by.
Joan co-emceed a modeling competition for women over 40, sponsored by More magazine. She said that it was a very joyful evening.
They then had a segment where the hosts all bowled against one another. Barbara did not participate. Joy’s balls kept going in the left gutter and Joy joked that the ball knows that she is a liberal. Whoopi kept getting gutter balls and she joked, “I am queen of the gutter.” Elisabeth did very well, was competitive, and took it very seriously, while the other hosts were a little more laid back. Joy was drinking beer, Sherri was eating wings, and Whoopi didn’t even look after she rolled the ball. Sherri blamed her gutter balls on her breasts and said that they kept getting in the way. She then blamed her wig for getting in her eyes and went and changed it. Elisabeth won and Joy said that she is on human growth hormone.
Barbara said that she was in California when they filmed it, but was glad because she worried she would get all gutter balls. Now after watching the clip, she realized that she could have played. She then said to Elisabeth, “We could look at this and hate you.” Then quickly added, but we don’t. Elisabeth said that if she can’t win political debates, she can with the bowling. Elisabeth said that she will keep the trophy in the make-up room so that the other hosts have to look at it everyday.
Sherri Shepherd, Joy Behar, Barbara Walters, Whoopi Goldberg, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Barack Obama, John McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Vicki Iseman, Harrison Ford, Miley Cyrus, Vanessa Williams, Ellen Page, bowling, Jessica Lange, Joan Allen, Kathy Bates, Bonneville, Cindy McCain
February 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
“Joy said that she wonders if there is any chance that the story against McCain may have come from the far right-conservative movement”
A-ha! that is exactly what went through my fevered brain! Love that Joy!
On the other thread someone said the “peachiness” the gals are also proclaiming about themselves when they have “different views” is really just “paid peach.” Boy do I agree. Today Miss Priss really had her pantyhose in a twist. More than her usual butting in with her scripted, “Rushed” ‘Fox talking points, she was angry. And showed her ignorance about newspapers too, saying the New York Times has shown its liberal bias because of its op-ed page. Does she not know that an op-ed page is for opinion pieces? Sherrie gets the rap for ignorance but blondie is just as bad and since she has a college degree it seems worse. Probably she has gotten more education from her right wing “journalism” sources.
February 21st, 2008 at 11:45 am
I just now checked into the whole McCain NYT story and didn’t read the whole story, just an outline of accusations and then I watched his press conference denying it and my initial thoughts right now are that for a man that is innocent, he sure was acting nervous and guilty. Something about his mannerisms spoke guilty. Maybe not guilty of everything they said, but guilty of something. And whether it is PC or not, it does remind me of the whole Clinton thing. When someone accuses me of something I didn’t do, I get more angry than nervous. Now when they accuse me of something I did do but don’t want to fess up to, I get a little nervous.
I don’t have a really informed opinion on McCain because I haven’t paid that much attention to his campaign before. In my opinion, he’s too old to be President and he backs the war.
I think the more the Republicans or McCain comes under attack, the tighter EH’s a-hole is going to clinch up and she’ll get more sarcastic and irate.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
I got the giggles with the butt clenching visual! McCain has a history of infidelity starting with the “first” Mrs. MC. He met the 2nd one (while still being married) and chased her for six months. He got a quick divorce and married her within months.
Her family had big money and he moved from the east coast to Arizona which was Cindy’s home. Within 2-3 years he was running for office and won. Then there was the Keating affair, her drug addiction and now the Cindy mini-me affair that has yet to be detailed. I do think the right could have waved this flag so that it would not be exposed once the real campaign began. If he should implode, Mitt has only to activate his status from suspended and save the day.
As for the NY Times, they sold us the Iraq war through Judith Miller and Scooter. They have rightwing extremist Bill Kristol on the staff and then there is Papa Bush lover Maureen Dowd. Liberal! my fuzzy butt! It is anything but these days. That goes for the WaPo too, which died when Katherine Graham was buried.
Everyone seemed to be tense with Bits today, as she interrupted her way through Babs monologue. I keep waiting for Babs to put her hand over Bit’s mouth the next time she interrupts.
I liked the Jessica/Joan interview. It is nice to see the senior women of HW get some film in the can:)
February 21st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Boy once again, they dropped the ball…
How could they not ask Joan Allen about the film The Contender(?!), in which she plays a political candidate (vice pres) dealing with a smear campaign - only the most appropriate tie-in I can think of.
And I would ask Jessica Lage about Frances, only because it is my favourite movie starring her.. but I can’t think of a tie-in
Again found the interview awkward, not revealing, thiscloseto embarrassing and even cringe-worthy….
February 21st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I watched the view today and Sherri said something that provoked me to write. Regarding the McCain story Sherri said and I quote:
“I’m feeling for Sydney McCain because you don’t know whether to be upportive….for me. Because it happened to me I’m looking at that face and I’m looking at that face thinking please don’t let anything come up that I don’t know about and I hope it’s not true. it’s very hard for the wife. because you’re in the position where you have to publicly defend this person and I hope to God your not lying”
Well if Sherri would keep her fat mouth shut no one would know about her marital issues. SHE(Sherri) is the New York Times. She uses EVERY opportunity to bring up how she is publicly humiliated by her Divorce. If you didn’t hear her hang around for 10 minutes and she’ll remind you again. If the View has a guest thats divorced Sherri has to say “Hey I’m Divorced to!!!. If the View has a guest that is in a movie playing a woman thats cheated on Sherri would say “Hey I got cheated on in real life!!!!” Sherri could hear that Roger Clemens is accused of cheating in Baseball because he took Human Growth Hormones Sherri would say “Hey my husband cheated to…..ON ME!!!” Sherri should realize that she is very different than Cindy McCain. Cindy McCain is next to her husband supporting him. She isn’t flying off to a job in another city abandoning her child. Cindy McCain isn’t using her Marital issues and her son’s issues as a platform.
If she knew anything at all about Politics maybe she would have something else to say. I am no longer going to stand by and hope she gets some class and stop talking about our private life. It’s obvious that that’s not going to happen. I have to come down to the level of Stupidity and Ignorance to meet her.
I just don’t have a TV show to use my misfortunes as fodder for humor…..Yet.
Jeff
Hey Sherri you son is doing fine today… If you care to know.
Jeff
February 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
WAY TO GO DEE & JEFF!
February 21st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
E, type in your library voice.:)
February 21st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
I did get to see today’s show,…and I found it interesting. It held my interest.
I happen to like when the ladies have differences of opinion in discussion, whether it be politics or whatever. I find it interesting to hear the different opinions and the whyfors. (is that a word?, well it is in my dictionary).
Time will tell on the McCain issue. That I’m sure of.
For me, I thought he did well at the press conference. I guess it’s a matter of perception, because I thought he seemed calm, and not nervous at all, and believable. We shall find out I’m sure.
Perhaps Sherri speaking about her husband cheating on her ..is therapy for her.
Frankly I thought she showed compassion for Cindy McCain. And like Sherri, I too hope that he is telling the truth for his wife and family’s sake.
February 21st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I tuned in today just in time to see the bowling segment. Whoopie was calling herself queen of the gutter..funny! Sherri was shown eating, as usual and Joy was drinking beer. As usual these three tickled my funnybone but then there was the bowling winner. Good work… so maybe EH will quit the View and go on tour with a bowling league? Glad I missed her rant today.
February 21st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Is that really Jeff Tarpley? If so.. Sherri needs to stop with the trash talking. If he is angry enough to come here where he probably knows she reads here, she needs to stop. And I have always thought it was strange that her son is still in Ca. why doesn’t she have him with her? And all the crazy boob obsession talk. @@ Sherri.. if you have to ask ‘when should I stop walking around naked in front of my son’ that means it’s time to stop!
February 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Once a cheater always a cheater. Cindy McCain is an adulterous and so is John.
February 21st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
John McCain cheated on his first wife, Carol, and dumped her and their children for Cindy. After marrying Cindy, John McCain went to work for her rich daddy of Anheuser Busch fame. He then became involved with Charles Keating, whose central role in the savings and loan scandal got him convicted of fraud. McCain is known as one of the Keating Five. As for her integrity - Cindy admitted in 1994 to being addicted to prescription drugs and to stealing them from a non-profit for which she worked. Facts are facts. There is more to the NY Times story than has surfaced yet. And this philanderer is the man the family values party is nominating for president? Interesting.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
It seems to me that Sherri had/has to pay support to the cheating husband even when she was still in Calfornia. Does Jeffrey not know that what goes around comes around that the current Mrs Mcain was the other woman so her “supporting her husband” is BS. Sherri is paying support that goes to the girlfriend and the child that resulted in that affair. She seemed quite good natured about that as well as marriage in general, something I would not be if I were in her shoes. She has to do what she needs to provide for her son since she is the one making the money.Who abandoned the marriage and baby in the hospital to screw around?? It won’t be long before the boy knows what kind of man his father is.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Jeff:
If you expect a wife to act classy,
you yourself should not act trashy.
February 21st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I think we all have made mistakes , and probably some of us have done some things that we may not be proud of.
John had an affair while married, about 30 years ago. (the only one I know of). After coming home from a war where he was a POW.
I think his wife had medical issues from an auto accident. I’m sure their marriage had many issues and problems. I’m not excussing his affair, I just don’t think it has anything to do with being a president.
Cindy McCain had a prescription drug addiction,..that doesn’t make her a terrible person. She stold meds….I bet she did if it was easily available where she worked. People with addictions tend to do that. I feel sorry for her, or anyone who had had to endure an addiction. People who have addictions don’t want to have them. The important thing is she admitted it and sought help. I sure don’t hold that against her.
My only concern is if McCain did do favors for the lobbyist, who he admits was a friend.
I hope that the New York Times does have more, because to me so far it wasn’t a lot. Not enough to persuade me of anything.
February 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
#14 Anonymously yours,
true!
February 21st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
“I’m not excussing his affair.”
Yes you are Sandy.
February 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm
“Does Jeffrey not know that what goes around comes around that the current Mrs Mcain was the other woman so her “supporting her husband” is BS.”
YES!
February 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
“Not enough to persuade me of anything.”
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Strange that EH did not mention how wrong it is for a married man to have female friends today.
Oh and what about the assertion that a man that cheats on his wife is not fit to lead the country and is a bad parent.
Would that apply to McCain???
February 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Valerie
It’s amazing how abandoning someone’s child is justified by using the “he cheated” blanket. Most women would have to have their arm cut off before they leave them. God bless the women who are in abusive relationships and have to leave for their safety. This woman sounds selfish and opportunistic. I hope the money is worth it. Valerie you sound like you’ve taken what he said personally.
Men_rule_all@yahoo dot com
February 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Ok Ok Ok.. watching the blow by blow now on dvr.. brb wit my 2 cents
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 am
Ok this is my racap Aileen style on the hot hot hot topics..
OMG OMG OMG!!! EH must be having an IBS moment with McCain’s new scandal… holy chits!!! Look at her face!! EH is not an actress and has no skills to hide her emotions.. (I am afraid I’ve been told the same thing).. but wait.. it looks like a brain anurism is coming on!!! She waiting for the attack.. Omg.. its all the New Times fault.. dunno.. but its ‘delicous’.. Ok BW is interjecting her factual rhetoric.. the ‘Keating 5′ and how McCain is professing how in this compaign he is going to be the most ethical and cleanest.. ok for all you peeps who dont know what ‘Keating 5′ is.. - 5 senators where accused of corruption in 1989 during the savings and loan crisis back in late 80’s early 90’s. The big deal is that all were deemed questionable but only 3 were never re-elected and two were unscathed which included McCain. THe other 3 recieved some implication of law chit… ok.. enough of the history lesson and sorry for boring ur arses.
So now the shadow is over all 5 but EH thinks McCain is withdrawn from the issue, but not. I think she waved her fairy wand over his head. But for McCain.. he is saying that he is NOW gonna clean his act up. Thats what I got from BW.
Ok back to the sex scandal.. hehehehehe. why did they with report the scandal?? EH says.. if it was news.. they should have had a responsibility to reports it as newspeeps (this coming from a gal who is infatuated with Faux News) again.. this is not an argument. This scandal is under investigation and who knows if its true or if the paper is just releasing the info due to someone willing to come forward with testimony. You cant assume here that someone is out to get ya or the paper waiting on relaible sources.. who knows.. . sheesh. again.. comments based on no facts. its all speculation.. DID I SAY DELICIOUS???? LMAOOO
I see her juggla vein gonna pop.
Whoop is so correct!! Times (no pun intended) is getting wired down. Now the scandals are coming out bad or good. Normaly at this time, they are mostly true than not. The media holds back for a good juicy story upon investigation and wants to make money. Anyone at this time in the game is fair game. We seen this before, Dems And Pubs alike. I must say.. BW is very relevant in this whole subject in pointing out missteps and all through out all the no i didnt say that.. yes i did. For an ol broad.. she has an amazing memory for all thats going on. Props to BW!!!! So funny Joy says Bill C didnt go through this?? again my point is.. at this point of the game.. its not a party issue.. its readers issue. Omg.. you have to look at Sherry at this point.. she is so leaning into Joy way away from the rabid EH!!! lmaooo!!!
Its very funny that joy brings up that maybe this McCain issue is brought up by the ultra right wing. Limbaugh.. etc.. well i saw Limbaugh talking about it today and i was like holy chit. He is doing an Anne Coulter!! whats up with this pube party??
Ok i dont care about the BW special.. no comment
Ok..I am gonna commment bout Harrison Ford.. I love that man to no end.. HARRISON!!! I GOT BLACK LINGERIE!!!!! THAT MEANS I WANNA HAVE SEX~!!!! ( based on public opinion)
OMG Jessica, Kathy and Joan!!!! I gotta see this movie. Great actresses I love them all. Joan is stunning thou. I dont know bout you guys.. but Jessica was quite scattered. Yikers.. I think I am following in her footsteps… HELP!!! omg. WHOOPS face is precious at this point. She is an actress and cant hold her emotions back.. Talk about it written all over your face!!!!!!!
Ok Joan talking about her daugher.. sheesh..Kids teens.. what to do.. etc.. I had a big blow out with my own one today..(daughter that is) but she is 25. Like Joan said.. I am lost and with out words. I need to blog about this.. I am with out words. Once you think you are out of the waters of issues.. your own 25 year old will surprise you and bring back 5 - 10 years of things you have done wrong.. lord have mercy… someone slip me a valium..
Ok.. the bowling segment was quite funny!!!! Poor Joy.. she has no balance. Whoops looks cool but not so cool in points.. EH is just kicking their butts!! But EH is too funny bout the thumb.. Looks almost she is looking for a an out with an excuse even thou she is ahead. Joy is killing me.. gutta guta gutta.. same for all ccept for EH.. she killed them.. OMg… Sherry knocked some pins down.. Whoop did too.. all in all.. Eh is the champion and put the gals to shame.. WTG TURDO!!!! (that was for my SANDY)!!!
P.s I like Whoops dreads longer..
I’m just saying…..
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 am
Ok after my long review of video and comments.. reading the reviews. and omg!!! Dee!!! “the butt clenching visual”!!!!!!!! you made me spit out my water!!!! the rest of your comment was so relevant and I applaude you woman.
Sinoda - So right about the role Joan played in “the contenta” I will never forget that movie.. to watch a woman go through the shmear campaign but in a misogynistic
way.. taught me the meaning of the word in a profound sense..
Jeff - All I can say about Sherry is that is shooting from the hip of experience and that is all she knows and is quite fresh. Give the girl a break. She is feeling issues and will eventualy get over them. But right now they are still fresh with her and we have to be patient. She invested a whole lot and got slammed. Lets let her get over it. Like I said.. she has no filters.. but she is real. Sorry mr. I dont agree.
Ok that being said.. jeff if you are who you say you are.. then all bets off. You dont belong here. period. get a site of your own for men who cheat and lie and need support. you may have new life experiences and good for you and as we know your a good father… but your past is your past.. and it is what is. Accept and change. Don’t bame Sherry for your misfortunues. You made a part of her life which she is struggling to accept. Accept your part and move one and take responsibility. Period..
lord have mercy.. This is going south..
Very good Anon.. u go..
Stacee - Good point!!! not that i agree but that is her opinion!!!
Anom Male.. you certainly are Jeff u turd..
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 am
I could not believe during the discussion of women actresses getting the same chances at great movies on a regular basis that men seem to get, such as Harrison Ford, that Elizabeth referred to Joan and Jessica as “late bloomers”!!! Barbara had to quickly correct her and say they had always been blooming. It’s as if Elizabeth didn’t have a clue of these actresses’ wonderful history over the years! She needs to get a clue.
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:11 am
I love how the McCains are white washed by their supporters. He is known as McNasty in the Senate for his temper. He is such a prize he mocked the sitting President’s young daughter for being ugly…what a man. His wife lived in her home state and raised her kids by herself, perhaps it contributed to her problems, but she was devious in the way she used the charity, that she set up, to create prescriptions in her employees names and when she was caught she tried to destroy the man that exposed her. Her money has been used to grease both her husbands path and hers in a way that law abiding citizens will never understand.
I agree this isn’t about sex, it is about influence by a female lobbyist that smacks of the Keating 5 days. It is serious in that aspect and the Repubs will not treat him like they would if it was Obama or Hill or Edwards that just got exposed. It will galvanize them instead. I find that hypocrisy.
This whole segment just exposes how flexible Bit’s morals are when it is her red candidate.
As for Jeff, give it up buddy. She is making a living to support everybody. Stop whining and step up to the plate about your transgressions, you hurt her deeply and now you are making trouble. She is gaining fans daily and she wears her heart on her sleeve, you should be kissing her feet for what she is doing to give Jeffery the best chance at life.
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:26 am
Aileen..it gives new meaning to “anal retentive personality”. Must apply brain bleach to wipe out the visual:)
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:44 am
Women work 2 and 3 jobs to provide for their kids. Sherry should not be applauded for going after her dreams instead of putting her son first. You don’t need mega bucks to keep a kid clean in a good home and clothes on his back. She is more interested in making big bucks. Her husband sounds like a big 0.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
E, #17
I’m not execussing his affair.”
Yes you are Sandy.
If I am then it is subconsciously, or unconsciously.
I don’t have high regards for men who cheat, or women, on their spouses.
I just don’t think this has anything to do with being nominated to run for president. It happened 30 years ago, and I hope that he has learned the error of his ways. People make mistakes.
By the way, I do like McCain, ..I also like Hilary, and Obama. In this instance I would say the same thing about either of them.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I’m far from being a Sherri fan. I believe the View’s just the wrong venue for her; not that she’s not talented, but I just don’t find this particular platform suits her at all. As for the “Give her some time to adapt” thing, it’s been almost six months; how much time does she need?
So no, not a Sherri fan, and I wasn’t happy when she was hired.
However, the dude up there who calls himself wrote a lot of stuff that strikes me a complete bull, and nasty bull at that.
I haven’t read the Sherri Shepherd Complete Biography, but I’m a regular viewer, and from what she’s said -several times- on the show, I don’t believe she “abandoned” her kid so that she could take the gig on the View.
First, she has to pay both child support and ex-scumbag support, doesn’t she? The View pays well, and you get a lot of time of. Plus, she also mentioned several times that her little boy has got some medical condition, (I forgot what it is though) and requires medical care, which doesn’t come cheap, another good reason to get a job that pays well, that way, she doesn’t have to worry about health-related expenses.
And the last thing, she said she left her little boy back in LA with his father because of the California climate is just much easier on the little guy’s health. She also added that she regularly flies to LA to go and see him.
That discourse does not strike me as coming from a woman who’s left everything behind just so that she could realize HER own selfish dream and make a lot of dough.
There are many things that irritate me about Sherri, her boob jokes are tiresome, and I know way more about her private life than I care to, but there is one thing I doubt not, is that she’d slay anyone who would even remotely pose a threat to the well-being of her son.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
You go RACHEL!!!! slam that punk upside his head!!!! Because woman who dont necessarily choose but HAVE to be the bread winner!!!! I am one of those woman who have to travel on the road leaving my teenage sons with their grandmother so I can pay the bills. No other job will pay my mortgage and keep the boys in sneakers and sports. I live in NJ and its very expensive here. Yes, I do have nightmares that I will return home to a burnded down house or more holes in the walls.. but i gotta do what I gotta do since the baby daddy is a friggin deadbeat!!!!!!!!! So there..
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I so agree with Rachel & Aileen, & others ..and I am a Sherri fan, but that doesn’t matter.
There are countless women who MUST go to work, near or far from home, to support, or to help support their children and or families. And many do it alone, too many. I do not believe that most want to be away from their children, but have no choice.
If you can follow their dream at the same time, then that’s great,..as in Sherri’s case, and I applaud her. I don’t think that she does anything without regard for her child. As is the case with most mothers.
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Well put Sandy Dahlink..here here…. (sounds of loud applause in the background)
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Sherrie like so many others in her shoes is obviously thinking of THE LONG HAUL for her son….. her View gig will not only pay her for her stint there but will give casting people a look at her for other kinds of opportunities. The view is so controversial that the up side to having her words mocked on the huffington post every day is that she is getting tons of exposure for non talk show work. In her line of work you have to strike while the iron is hot and while your career is hot. And save your bucks for the time when you are replaced by a younger model. She started her show biz career kinda late, too, so she has the added pressure of making up for lost time. Maybe if her estranged spouse would lower his own “lifestyle needs for the life to which he had become accustomed” so that her alimony payments were lowered, that would help the family overall. She would be able to sock away even more money and ultimately not have to work as much, which would give her more time to be with her son. This is all pretty elementary. If she also happens to love her work and want to work, well, good for her. She’ll be a happier employer and mom and will do better work and will reduce stress, which lops off years…… I think the ladies here on this blog all “get this” but I’m spelling it out for guys (or gals) who insist that all mothers must stay at home and are selfish if they do not.
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Sorry for blooping up my typing…..
I meant to say she’ll be a happier employee, not employer. And i meant to say if she is happy, she’ll have less stress, and we know that too much stress can lop off years……
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
“Women work 2 and 3 jobs to provide for their kids. Sherry should not be applauded for going after her dreams instead of putting her son first. You don’t need mega bucks to keep a kid clean in a good home and clothes on his back. She is more interested in making big bucks. Her husband sounds like a big 0.”
RIGHT ON ANNON!
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
easy for people to say this is what’s best for her son he needs his mother not fancy clothes and such. Those years will be gone before you know it.
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
“If she also happens to love her work and want to work, well, good for her.”
Should have thought about that before having a child.
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Wow, E, where are you from, the 50s?
So a woman has got to choose, right? Either a career, OR kids. No to having both. That’s just greedy.
But it’s OK for guys to have a job AND a family, nothing wrong with that, right?
Woman = kitchen, laundry room, toilet scrubbing, looking pretty when she occasionally is let out of the kitchen.
Man = Gets up, goes to work, goes home (must the woman still bring the newspaper, slippers and the pipe, or can he go and get them himself?), has dinner, swings by the pub for a couple of pints of real ale and comes home all inebriated for one quick hump before snooze time.
Yeay, sounds like fun, sign me up! I too want to be slave to a man. What the hell is wrong with Sherri wanting to get a life for herself when she could have just stood by her man like a loyal golden retriever, while he’s wandering around, spreading the love and getting other chicks preggers. Let’s all email her to tell what a huge mistake she just made…
You must be a joy to live with, E.
Tss… sexist, much?
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Working with latchkey children you see the effects of this materialistic society. “The first two years in a child’s life are crucial in determining its well-being in adulthood, according to a series of five papers launched in The Lancet on 17 January.” Sherry should be with her child, nothing you say or do is going to convince me otherwise.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
“I just don’t think this has anything to do with being nominated to run for president.”
EH seems to disagree with that point of view. She doesn’t think a man that was unfaithful can be a good president.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
E, #41,
Well then E.H. has a different point of view than I do.
While I happen to like E.H., I don’t agree with all of her views, and or opinions.
What do you think E, does the fact that John McCain had an affair about some 30 years ago have anything to do with being a good president?
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Hey.. I will just take a man who can pay the friggin bills or support his friggin kids.. he can take his cigar and ram it up his.. his… ahhh.. nose? HAH! Oh lord E.. you live in the dark ages where Dinasaurs and hanging vines are your method of transportation. Lets all start judging people where we have no idea on how they live, choices they make, circumstances surrounding their choices… wait… let me get out my crystal ball
I’m just saying…..
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 pm
E # 40,
I accept and respect your opinion, although I don’t agree with it. …Well I think it would be wonderful if a mother could be at home with their child throughout his or her growing up years.
But some mothers have to work, and some may have to do that away from home. I also believe that mothers can have a career and still give the best of care and love to their child or children.
I don’t know what the “lancet” is, or what papers they published. However I can speak as a mother, who has had to work outside the home,..although thankfully never far from home.
I suggest that you can have a career and still raise your child or children very well. That children of mothers who have careers can and do grow into great, caring, loving, responsible, prosperous adult. I know that from experience. As i have raised 2 daughters. Well almost anyway. I suggest that it is not the quality of time you spend with them, but the quality.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
“What do you think E, does the fact that John McCain had an affair about some 30 years ago have anything to do with being a good president?”
He’s too old and too temperamental to be president. He forgot the name of his own kids during a interview. No thanks been down the road with an old man running the country.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Sorry ..correction…last sentence
I suggest that it is not the “quantity” of time you spend with them, but the quality.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
That’s why people shouldn’t have children until they’re financial able to take care of them in every way, shape and form. Not shoving them in a daycare for eight hours a day. Wait until you are financially able to take a year or so off before having a child.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
“I suggest that it is not the “quantity” of time you spend with them, but the quality.”
That’s rubbish!
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
E, # 45,
I also respect your opinion on that.
I’m not sure if I agree with the fact that he is too old. Temperamental maybe, I don’t necessarily like that about him either.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
E, # 48
“I suggest that it is not the “quantity” of time you spend with them, but the quality.”
That’s rubbish!
Is it?, well I disagree with you, but you are welcome to your opinion.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Proud SAHM of 6. home-schooled them all. Wouldn’t have it any other way. Would I like a brand new car yes…would I like to travel more yes. All my little ones clothes are handmade and we grow are own food.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Elisabeth understands family values. She would never in a million years leave her child, especially one who is sick, to be raised by a nanny and a cheating husband.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 pm
E. you remind me of DR. Laura. She’s the best!
Wanda: You got that right!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
“Sherri said that she feels for Cindy McCain because she had a similar experience.” Of course Sherri had to say that. First of all, it is alledged. But if it’s alledged or not, the career damage and the public humiliation for such a high-profile figure becomes more of a burden.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 am
E - “That’s why people shouldn’t have children until they’re financial able to take care of them in every way, shape and form. Not shoving them in a daycare for eight hours a day. Wait until you are financially able to take a year or so off before having a child” OK sounds like you have a personal axe to grind… and the other peeps who support E. (funny how E is not male or female..) ok.. u pass judgement.. but it seems u live in utopia.. ok ur cirmcumstances are good.. u pass judgement.. but do u really live in the real world. Do you support your children 100% without the spousal support? Are you more than one parent support system? Inquiring minds gotta know.. Do you worry about copays since that you only get paid once a month? Keep making your judgements on woman who are trying to make a buck and support your children. I am confused. Do you worry about how to feed your child at the same worry they cant enter into soccer because your too busy working and cant drive them there?? No i guess you dont because some man/woman is providing your arse and you can only worry about your childrens activities and play dates. You clean your home and make your meals not worrying about the working woman who is home and in a state of confusion and she spends all weekend making up for disentary. Lord have mercy. You have no right to talk about how we raise children when our man left and ran!!!! no support.. nothing.. Ok.. my poor child should be ashamed because I do my best to provide and I didnt do enough to make him stay… E you should be ashamed of yourself. You are a product of what is wrong with society and how we conduct ourselves to provide. You have no argument. I would LOVE to be provided for and plan my childrens life but the man was inefficient. So I decided to go alone in the effort. Ok.. So my kids are gonna suffer do to my ex drug addictions.. I am so wrong there.. I shoulda kept them in that that relationship. Do you have any words of advice in this circumstance? Sorry if my kids are “lotch key kids” it may offend your sensibilities.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 am
Before the throne of the Almighty, man will be judged not by his acts but by his intentions. For God alone reads our hearts.
Mohandas Gandhi
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 am
Ok 2 more cents..
E - “That’s why people shouldn’t have children until they’re financial able to take care of them in every way, shape and form.
Ok so if peeps should deem themselves unable to take care of their unborn child.. should they abort? based on your words.. I would think they should.. not good advice. Your in deep doo doo in morales..
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:12 am
This one is for Sandy;
It is the quality of our work which will please God and not the quantity.
Mohandas Gandhi
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 am
Omg.. this site is going south.. lmaoooo
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 am
“Wait until you are financially able to take a year or so off before having a child.”
Dude, one’s financial circumstances can change, you know…
One bad investment, and that’s it, the dough’s gone.
You want to sell your house, but a wal-Mart’s moved in next door, and your home’s value’s gone down the drain overnight. So the money’s out of sight for a while…
So what is a mother supposed to do, put her kid on hiatus until the finances are stable again? Just press “pause”, see you in two years, once I can afford both the rent and the X-Box.
E, I invite you to step out of the wonderful world of “Stepford Wives in la-La land”, and into the real world.
You won’t like it though.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 am
OMG!!! thank u for Rachel!!!! But worse than that.. wait until you plan and it all goes south.. ur hubby and all. then what… oh no.. based on E.. you should have some magical expectations.. just pull it out of your arse is all.. Ok honey.. here is your shoes but its covered in arse.. U arses
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 am
EH’s understanding of family values is narrow and intolerant. There are many kinds of families and their values are shaped by their circumstances. Bit’s happens to be living a wealthy lifestyle, at a young age, with a job that lets her shoot her mouth off with very few consequences. If she was truly walking her talk she would be at home with Grace and Taylor and her unemployed husband would be volunteering for the war…because you know “we are at war”.
As for McCain forgetting his children’s names that is disturbing. I don’t think Cindy can cover for him like Nancy Reagan used to do for Ronnie. Lord we don’t need that again!
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 am
E,
Thank God there are people like you and Wanda!
Dr. Laura and the good Lord would be proud!
“That’s why people shouldn’t have children until they’re financial able to take care of them in every way, shape and form. Not shoving them in a daycare for eight hours a day. Wait until you are financially able to take a year or so off before having a child.”
Bless you!
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:41 am
“so if peeps should deem themselves unable to take care of their unborn child.. should they abort?”
That’s what adoptions are for.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:15 am
When we make choices, we have to learn to live with them. This includes choosing the “wrong” mate. Children shouldn’t have to grow up without a father because of their mother’s lack of judgment.
Women know when they have a bad egg, but they don’t care. They chase the guy down and make him marry her. When he turns out to be exactly who he has been all along, the woman runs.
I chose the right man. He’s faithful and does his part to contribute to our household.
Thanks, Chrissy. I do believe the good lord is proud of our little family.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Wow, I cannot believe what I’m reading here…
You guys are not for real, right? You’re playing a part, or attempting to start a flame war… yes? Please tell me it is so, because when I read this:
“Children shouldn’t have to grow up without a father because of their mother’s lack of judgment.”, I literally jumped out of my pajamas.
Don’t mind me asking, but who the hell are you to point fingers and judge women who got screwed by some scumbag (and BTW, the opposite happens too, you have men who find themselves having to take care of young kids by themselves, and my heart goes out to them too. If Sherri was a man, I’d say the exact same thing, just so you know that I don’t go by double-standards.)
Anyway, what I find highly ironic is all that preachy, judgmental, holier-than-thou nonsense coming from people who never miss an opportunity to bring up God while they’re kicking you in the groin.
Hey, nice attitude. I’d hate to deflate it, but what if, God forbid (I can do it too, y’see) the man, the father in a couple got cancer, or was involved in a car crash and died; what are you gonna do? Blame the woman, because she picked the “wrong mate”, a “bad egg” (your words, not mine)?
So all of sudden she finds herself alone, with kids, no income, and a funeral to pay for; what’s she supposed to do? As Chrissy up there pointed out, it’s very simple: put the kids up for adoption! It’s an easy solution, which requires little to no thinking! Quick and painless!
NOT.
Come on! Are you folks for real? Do you really think that life is that simple, all in black and white and that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander?
To me, that says “severe case of head deliberately buried deep inside butt”, but hey, I could be wrong.
I just find you have some nerve to judge someone the way you do, without even taking a beat to get acquainted with their personal circumstances. For folks who bring up God’s name every other sentence, I don’t find any compassion, empathy, wisdom, intelligence or kindness in your discourse AT ALL.
That is not what I remember from the religion classes I took as a kid. What I recall very well though, is this:
“Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged.”
Preaching it is one thing, applying it is another. What I see here, is a couple of severe cases of diarrhea of the keyboard, and very little else in term of human compassion to back up all the holier-than-thou rhetoric.
Way to go.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Aileen, don’t you know that life is black and white, cut and dried, easy squeezy? Why, as young women, when we choose a mate to marry for the rest of our lives, we should have all the wisdom and maturity to pick the exact right one. Because if he turns out to be a drunk, addict, deadbeat, cheater, closet gay (like Pastor Ted Haggard, Senator Larry Craig), gambler, etc., well…girl, that is OUR fault for choosing the wrong guy. Cause you know, at an early age, there is no excuse for a gal to not just “know” from all of her fabulous teenage experience, which guy is going to be the right one for 40-50 years. To raise a family with. And, well, if she chooses wrong, tough. It is all her fault! It is so much better to stay stuck like glue to the bad apple we chose and let him destroy the lives of our children than to cut our losses, let the deadbeat go, and pick ourselves up and try to fix the mess. No, ma’am. Better to sit within the cr*p and self-righteously tell everyone around us, including strangers on the Internet, that it is WE who the Lord is proud of.
Aileen, don’t let this darkness and lack of compassion and love in the words of these self-righteous people get to you. There are plenty of us here who know that life isn’t so neat and tidy and who understand you and others like you are doing the best you can. Hang in there.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
“When we make choices, we have to learn to live with them. This includes choosing the “wrong” mate. Children shouldn’t have to grow up without a father because of their mother’s lack of judgment.”
wonderful!
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Oh, yes, it’s is WONDERFUL for children to live in a house with a father who drinks and beats up his wife and kids than to live in a house without a father.
It is WONDERFUL to force a child to live with a father who molests her.
It is WONDERFUL to make the children suffer because the mother’s choice of a husband turned out to be flawed. It is WONDERFUL to punish the children rather than admit you married the wrong person and move on.
Praise the Lord. How WONDERFUL.
I’m checking out of this looney tunes of a conversation.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
We aren’t talking about your lives we are speaking in general terms? Sherry’s boy needs her now. She’s going to live with regret EH is the perfect mother and wife. Only losers make excuses and blame others for their shortcomings.If I can do it alone so can you. All my children are adopted and thank the Lord I found them. We are the salt of the earth!
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Hanna # 58
Thank you very much.
As well as # 56, I hope everyone read this quote. Because that is the way it is.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Dear Winnie,
I have a request.
I’d like a “rolls eyes” emoticon, please.
Oh, and while we’re at it, if you could also throw in one of these smilies that’s banging its head against a wall, I could use one just about right now.
Thank you.
Respectfully,
Rachel.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Throwing quotations around is the easy way out. If you do want to use quotations, please do not speak in absolutes like “that is the way it is” and tell “everyone” that the quotes should be read.
Why not take a stand and speak up for those who are being demonized?
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Aileen,
and know you are doing the best you can. 
Please, please don’t take some of these comments to heart. do not feel the least bit vulnerable. You are doing what is right for you and your family. So is Sherri. No one knows better than you what is right for you and your children. Now
I don’t think anyone here is going to change the way that some people feel or believe.
I will say this to the others. and I think Rachel wrote it…
Judge Not, less Ye Be Judged!!
I consider myself a very religious person too, and i don’t share some of these comments views let me tell you that.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
#73,
Snooze,
I believe i have, in many of my prior comments. What good does it do?
These people aren’t going to change their attitudes.
And actually the quote I feel does stand up for the ones being demonized.
I am a VERY big fan of Aileen, Sherri, and all of the women out there who have to work and support and or help support their families…I’m one of those women.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
This is America and we are entitled to our opinions. The people that disagree are throwing mud. Bless you all EH is the example you all should follow.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
People are entitled to their opinions, yes, and they’re entitled to get upset when another’s opinion is so judgemental and coming from a person who doesn’t know a thing about it.
My opinion happens to be that as soon as someone says something like “Dr. Laura’s the best”, that person’s opinion, however entitled to it they may, can not be taken remotely seriously.
Sandy did a good job of sticking up for some, I feel. But she’s right. Lost cause.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Chrissy,
Yes, I agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion. i think it’s great that you can be a SAHM, and home school your children.
However there are many of us out here who can not do that. We, or i would love to be able to have done that.
I feel that you cause a big problem when you involve God in your opinions, and I wish you would not do that. I also feel that it is not for you or anyone else to judge others, including Sherri.
I do not think that the other commenters are slinging mud..They do not agree, and or understand your view and they are using analogies to show and to prove why they don’t agree.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I think I remember a quote about something like “Judge not, lest ye be judged” and something about taking the log in your eye out before taking out the speck in someone else’s eye.
And just where in the Bible does it talk about mothers staying home with the children.
I actually don’t totally disagree with many of these rigid people with nice lives (with a qualification at end). I think that many people make bad decisions too easily, and without thinking of the consequences. I think people get divorced too quickly (as a society, with no knowledge of anyone in particular) and don’t try hard enough or smart enough (with society contributing by not teaching us how to get through the rough times). I think many people treat sex too casually. I think abortion is oftentimes a lousy decision and used as a fail safe too often and too easily.
THat said, I also think that there are times divorce is the right solution. Sometimes abortion is better than any of the other alternatives (and for those of you who think it is murder, why don’t you think we should just prosecute it as murder!) I think the history of the world shows that mothers staying at home with kids covers some very small percentage of the time humans have been on the planet. I also know people whose children were better off with some child care. Different kids. Different parents. Different needs. Different circumstances. I think the gene pool needs those who are adventuress and wild and like to demonstrate their prowess (which I imagine includes every one of the astronauts) just like it needs nerds. I think the role of hormones in “falling in love” is underrated and operates sort of like gravity - we hardly notice it, but it’s ever so powerful in a subtle way. I think life is soooo unpredictable and complicated and simple rules give a false sense of security - and oftentimes superiority.
And most important, if someone is going to make a mistake in their life, I’d rather it would be their mistake, rather than me making a mistake for their life based on rules that I follow (unfortuantely, sometimes I’ve learned I was wrong about something I was absolutely sure I was right about - arrgghhh)
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
“This is America and we are entitled to our opinions. The people that disagree are throwing mud. Bless you all EH is the example you all should follow.”
Chrissy, you typed three lines and still managed to contradict yourself.
In your first sentence, you say that we are all entitled to our opinions, and I totally agree with you on that.
But then, you follow on with:
“EH is the example you all should follow.”
So where is your respect for these different opinions that we’re “entitled to have”?
One second you say we’re entitled to our opinions, the next, you say that we should follow EH’s example.
Well, to me, following EH’s example is the equivalent of hopping in a time machine, destination 1950 something. It’s like becoming a perfect little Stepford wife, unable to think for myself, and needing a man in every single aspect of my life; telling me what to do, how to act, how to think.
Well thanks but no thanks, I want to be the sole person in control of my brain.
I don’t want my political opinions being chewed up by some propaganda spewing “news channel” before being spoon-fed to me so that I know what my talking-points for the day are.
I don’t want to be a blind follower of a political party whose greatest achievement has been to successfully screw its own country.
I wouldn’t want to be caught dead making the same sweeping generalizations, or cold, judgmental, uncompassionate comments as EH did, concerning families who work their asses off, but still can’t afford health insurance for their kids (”What are the parents doing?”), or her “That’s unfortunate” response to Rosie’s 650000 dead Iraqis statement.
EH doesn’t have the slightest clue what it’s like to walk a mile in the shoes of the people she’s can be so eager to point the finger at, and I don’t fault her for that; what I fault her for though, is that she doesn’t even TRY. She lives in her comfortable little cocoon of a life, and just plain refuses to think outside her little Repub. box. She just doesn’t realize how privileged she is, and I honestly think she doesn’t want to. Much easier to live in La-La-Land than face the ugly reality.
So for all these reasons, the last “example” I would ever want to follow is EH’s.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Lajet, #79.
Great Comment!!
I always enjoy your comments and logic.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Right on Rachael. Religion is destroying our country! Eh is a bag fat fraud!!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Some mothers must work to support their children for whatever reason. I however also believe that mothers should work even if they don’t HAVE TO but they WANT TO. I hope to be a good mother to my daughter by showing her that she can do ANYTHING she wants when she grows up, just like her mother did.
For those of you Stepford wife lovers who think EH is the ideal example….ummm….who is taking care of her kids when she is at work? She probably makes more money than her husband and chose to follow her career in New York rather than move with her husband. Based on some of your descriptions of the perfect wife, EH doesn’t really fit the bill.
It’s kind of typical of a lot of the conversations here and on The View (on both political ends). There is little thought about what you personally value and rather people align themselves with a certain perspective and adamantly support EVERYTHING and EVERYONE who also shares that general perspective. Be independent thinking people! No one can agree 100% with one ideal or another. Sandy, I think you are the perfect example of a thoughtful person who may lean toward a conservative viewpoint, but always thinks about things personally, making your own judgments rather than repeating what someone else says. Kudos to you!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I’m kinda baffled as to why so many regulars are letting themselves get baited?
You can’t tell when someone is trying to rile you?
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
NO ONE in her circle of friends or family members were surprised when her husband cheated. She said so herself on the show. The signs were there and she ignored them.
Now people want me kicked off the site for what? There were no personal attacks on any of you. But almost everyone of you did attack us personally.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Wanda I don’t agree with you at all. I read the thread and I don’t think you attacked anyone. People need to calm down. So what if some think EH is all that! Or women shouldn’t work. I don’t get a rats bum about the opinion of some stranger on a site. EH is closedminded as most conservatives are..DUH!
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
LMBO! whew!
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
“Religion is destroying our country!”
Although a part of me agrees with your statement, Milla, I just refuse to throw all religious people in the same bucket, because I think that would make me no better than the folks who are so quick to judge the ones they don’t agree with.
I was born catholic, and at age 12, I woke up one Sunday morning and told my father I didn’t want to go to church anymore, because I didn’t believe in God. My decision caused a short moment of disappointment, but was respected. However, what I remember from my religion classes, was that God’s message is one of love, peace, tolerance and forgiveness, and although I’m not religious, it’s a message I embrace wholeheartedly.
I think the face of religion has changed a lot in the most recent years, with the multiplication of these non-denominational mega-churches and the emergence of what I see as a very extreme right-wing religious movement which tends to mix politics and religion.
And although I strongly doubt that the ones who belong to this movement make up the majority of religious people, they tend to have the loudest voice, and to garner a lot of attention.
However, there are many religious people out there (I think Sandy is a good example), who embrace their religion without bashing people who have different beliefs; who have an open mind, hence the ability to acknowledge and accept the fact that this world is made of many people of different races, cultures, beliefs, religions, traditions and so on.
Unfortunately, the many voices of these more “moderate” (I hate to use that word but I can’t think of a more accurate one) Christians tend to get drowned by the much louder voice of the self-righteous finger-pointing minority.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
There isn’t one point in my posts where I mention God in a way that should be insulting to anyone. All I said was that God is proud of my family. And I’m sure He is.
Whatever hangs up some of you have towards religion has clouded your ability to remain neutral during this discussion.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
EH is the most judgmental witch on TV So are her fans. They can come here and pretend otherwise, but we know the truth.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Wanda, my looong post above wasn’t directed to you, but was in response to Milla’s comment.
I’m just not sure who you’re addressing your post to, but since I’ve been discussing religion quite a bit, I assume it’s me.
Just wanted to clarify that.
And who said they wanted you kicked off the site?
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Why is Eh orange? she looks like a Oompa Loompa.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Rachel, my comment wasn’t directed at you but others. I don’t want to name names because then the discussion gets personal.
I don’t want to go through the entire thread but someone started a post that read Dear Winnie and then suggested I get thrown off the site.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
She didn’t name me personally, but it’s obvious my post was one that upset others.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I’ll take that back, Rachel. Yes it seems that you are one of the people I was directing my comment to. I just went back a few threads and reread some of your posts.
Thank you for clarifying that your posts regarding God were not directed at me. Perhaps the others weren’t either.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
“someone started a post that read Dear Winnie and then suggested I get thrown off the site.”
Yeah.
That was me. This is what I wrote:
“Dear Winnie,
I have a request.
I’d like a “rolls eyes” emoticon, please.
Oh, and while we’re at it, if you could also throw in one of these smilies that’s banging its head against a wall, I could use one just about right now.
Thank you.
Respectfully,
Rachel.”
Could you please point to me where exactly I suggested you get thrown off the site?
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Oops, I take my previous post back too.
Although I do disagree with pretty much every single thing you said, I do believe you’re absolutely entitled to say it, so, no, I’d never suggest you get thrown off the site because I disagree with your opinions.
“Thank you for clarifying that your posts regarding God were not directed at me.”
No sweat.
And Peace.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
LOL
I read “throw in one” as “throw out.”
Just goes to show that when people are feeling attacked, we read into things to suit our preconception.
This should prove a good lesson to the rest of us.
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Dictionary: pre·con·cep·tion (prē’kən-sĕp’shən)n.; An opinion or conception formed in advance of adequate knowledge or experience, especially a prejudice or bias.
A dual edge sword. I think a little preconception went a long way in this entire thread.
You can’t really understand another person’s experience until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes. Or to better phrase it…
Until you walk a mile in another person’s moccasins you can’t imagine the smell.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Thanks Sandy. That was very kind of you to say that.
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
# 88 Rachel,
I appreciate your comments in this comment. Not necessarily about me, but your entire comment. However thank you for your kind words concerning me and my religious beliefs.
I very firmly believe that religion is NOT destroying our country, but more so self-righteousness is a growing problem. I also VERY firmly believe that religion has no place in politics.
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
M,
Thank you very much for your kind words concerning me. I actually do not base my thoughts and opinions and views on any political party or any political point of view. They come from within and life experiences I guess..
I think this is the same for most everyone.
It’s just such a very confusing time in our country right now. I understand why some are afraid to trust,.. lets say Republicans.
I just wish that there wasn’t such a divide.
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Lajet #100
Your welcome and I sincerely meant it.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
WHEW… THANK GOODNESS YOU GOT THAT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT. I FEAR THAT WRITING CAN NEVER EXPRESS WHAT WE REALLY MEAN TO VERBALLY SAY. KUKOS TO ALL OF US FOR BEING ABLE TO “TYPE OUR WAY ” THROUGH MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF THE “CHAT ROOM” VS REAL LIVE “CONVERSATION.”
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
WHEW… THANK GOODNESS YOU GOT THAT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT. I FEAR THAT WRITING CAN NEVER EXPRESS WHAT WE REALLY MEAN TO VERBALLY SAY. KUKOS TO ALL OF US FOR BEING ABLE TO “TYPE OUR WAY ” THROUGH MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF THE “CHAT ROOM” VS REAL LIVE “CONVERSATION.”
I’m sorry for using the caps keys, by mistake in comment #104
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
OMG, this is too much. The oopma Loompa comment made me laugh outloud as well as Rachel’s request for more emoticons. I want an emoticon puking. Rachel, Sooze and Sandy, no worries, my panties arent in a bunch. Although you provided me with lovely understanding that I am sure GOD is smiling down on your natural unabashed NON judgemental point of views..
Its kind of funny but I awlays root for the underdog as well as feed the homeless. My heart goes out to people who are experiencing tough times due to economic or personal issues. My only mantra for life is not walk through life blind focused on my own issues and help where I can. I dont understand how people think there is only one set of circumstances in life and we can truly set rigid standards on how we live. It was either Sandy or Rachel who suggested what if a woman suddenly became widowed and her circumstances changed and she now needed to work? Thats a very good example on how rigid points of views would never work. Also the rigid point of view that all mothers should stay home and not work is archaic. I thought Donna Reid went out olive green appliances? I find this whole discussion surreal to say the least. I also find it preposterous that a woman should not leave her husband even if there is abuse in some way. Oh palease. Why raise children in a disfunctional home to only make them disfuctional themselves? Is that the actions of a responsible parent? We are supposed to protect our children from harm not put them in harms way. Inquiring minds gotta know!!!
As far as the following comment from Chrissy -
“so if peeps should deem themselves unable to take care of their unborn child.. should they abort?”
That’s what adoptions are for.
I dont find this response reasonable at all. There are 40 million americans without health insurance. Some adults and some children. So if these parents originally had the crystal ball to know that they would not be able to provide for their children at some time, I estimate 20 million children in the adoption program today. Do you have enough room in your home?
Rigid points of view do not provide for all circumstances in todays world. Certainly not in this country. I do not wish circumstances change for the stepford woman here, but lack of compassion and understanding in their lives is truly sad. How do you then teach your children the meaning of tolerance and charity and contribution to their society for people who are less fortunate than they are. In this particular case of Stepford wives, its my understanding that you should look down your nose at other people for not being perfect and making bad choices or finding yourself in circumstances that was unwarrented and not planned. When my children spilled milk or broke a lamp, I told them thats why they are called accidents. Theres no plan for perfection here but I try to ensure my children dont go through life with their eyes closed and to be sure you see what is around you and accept, embrace and help make it a better world for others. We will be judged not how perfect we think we shaped our lives by all the perfect choices we made, but what we do for others in need and how we love truly with our hearts and not our heads. (or pocketbook)
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Oh yeah, Jesus’s mum was poor. I am sure Mary didnt know how she was going to provide for him and wonder if she should of given up Jesus for adoption.
I’m just saying….
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Aileen #106 Amen!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Sandy, you’re very welcome.
I have complete respect for anyone from any religion who doesn’t push their faith in my face and try to “convert” me.
You have the kind of attitude that makes me way more receptive to listening to ppl’s religious views than the force-fed self-righteous bull I unfortunately see way too much of.
Aileen, 106, great post!
And LMAO at 107!!!
February 24th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Wow u all r on fire! Winnie u r doing a FANTASTIC JOB! I’ve been reading but not posting.
Eh thinking married men shouldnt have lady friends speaks more on her lala land. Tim-tho he hasnt had any PT- is a nfl player. He is around ladies all the time.
If Tim has ever or should cheat, I really think EH would die.
February 24th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Winnie, u will have a recap & screenshot of Fri 22 ep right? Many on imdb want to c the pic of EH & I’ve directed them here.
February 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
lilkunta,
Here is a link to the picture:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/22/this-is-a-host-of-the-vi_n_88025.html
February 24th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Sorry for the delay! The recap (with photo of Elisabeth and Sherri) is now up here:
http://www.watchingtheview.com/the-view-february-22nd-recap-audra-mcdonald-and-mario-cantone/
February 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am
EH was ugly back then in fact she’s Still ugly becuase of her views. She’s one of the most grotesque women on TV. Man I hope old baldy strays on her so she can get a dose of the real world. She is just as fake as the days are long and so are those who like her.
February 24th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Sandy:
“I also VERY firmly believe that religion has no place in politics.”
If you believe this why vote for people who place religion in politics? You don’t see the Democrats doing that.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
oh lord here we go again…
February 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
#115 is a legitimate question.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I understand Lisa’s point of view. What does it matter if someone professes to be open-minded when they continually vote for politicians who (1) invoke religion to separate the country (2) eliminate benefits to children (3) agrees that the United States should torture (just to name a few)
So what’s the difference between EH and those others? Nothing really. EH has a platform where she can spout her intolerance. Those who don’t have a platform demonstrate their intolerance at the voting booth. As Rosie says, same same same.
As the old adage goes, action speak louder than words. In the end, those who are “open-minded” still vote against the core of separation between church and state, legislation to assist the poor, and so on.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Aileen,
Comment #118 isn’t against anyone specificially. I’m not a regular visitor of this board to come to my own conclusions regarding posters.
I found Lisa’s comment interesting and responded. Simple as that.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
My rut ro knee jerk reaction is based on someone assuming that Sandy votes for religious candidates just because religion is important to her. I question myself on choices where I ask “what would Jesus do here?” But it does not reflect my political choices at the voting booth. Actually it really scares me when a candidate is devout because I do not want a president consulting his bible, koran or Torah when making decisions and passing laws. Religion is often interpreted and is used to wage war and place moral judgement. Unfortunately, the front runner candidates all claim to have religion so how do you get away from that?
I’m just saying…
February 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Unfortunately, the front runner candidates all claim to have religion so how do you get away from that?”
Claiming to have religion and invoking legislation based on religion is not the same.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
“I question myself on choices where I ask “what would Jesus do here?” But it does not reflect my political choices at the voting booth.”
Are you a democrat? If so, then part of Lisa’s point is still valid. Democrats don’t vote based on their religion.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
“My rut ro knee jerk reaction is based on someone assuming that Sandy votes for religious candidates just because religion is important to her.”
I didn’t read Lisa’s question the same way you did. If Sandy stated she “VERY” firmly believes religion has not place in politics (and very is in all caps), it’s a fair question to ask why she votes for Republican candidates.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
# 15 Lisa,
I think you have a valid question also. And I would like to answer as best I can.
My answer is- what makes you think that I do vote for those who place religion in politics?
I think that both sides have candidates who speak of religion, and their religious faith. And I don’t mind that. That’s fine.
I believe that religious leaders, religious lobbyist, church’s, preachers, ministers, what have you should not involve themselves in politics, or endorse any candidate.
If you are speaking as in Republicans in general, ..then I would answer that if I did vote for them it wouldn’t be “only or solely” because of their religious views, or opinion. I don’t base my vote on religion.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I think I may be missing something, i am just addressing how it is assumed that Sandy votes for religious candidates. Where does she say that?
February 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
“Unfortunately, the front runner candidates all claim to have religion so how do you get away from that?”
I live in Canada and don’t have cable, so unfortunately, I was never able to see any of the debates, just the bits they have covered on the news over here.
However, from what I’ve seen, heard and read, although your statement, Aileen, is true, I have to add that though all the candidates are religious, their approach to religion varies greatly.
I mean weren’t all the candidates religious, including the ones out of the running? Honest question, because I don’t know, but I would say the answer’s probably yes.
I don’t see anything wrong with a politician having faith.
What I don’t want, is to see this faith becoming a political issue. I’m not sure I’m explaining myself clearly here.
I’ll use an example: Huckabee. To me, it seemed that in his campaign, he used his faith as a reason to vote for him, as a “marketing tool” if you wish. The way I see it, his religious beliefs became some sort of selling point, and IMO it shouldn’t be like that, because I see it as going completely against the separation of church and state.
As I said, my knowledge of the debates is limited to news items, but in none of them I recall hearing Hillary or Obama go on about religion, unlike, IMO, Huckabee who has been shamelessly pandering to the religious right.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“I think I may be missing something, i am just addressing how it is assumed that Sandy votes for religious candidates. Where does she say that?”
Perhaps Lisa can explain herself, but the way I read Lisa question isn’t the way you are reading it.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Okay,
I’m slow.
As i typed and submitted by response,..other comments have been submitted..
It seems the question is about my voting Republican.
I have not always voted Republican.
I may not this time, if I vote. I do like McCain, also I like Hilary. I do have many conservative views and opinions, but that doesn’t mean that only a Republican would get my vote.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Thats too funny Rachel, I was going to use Huckabee as an example in one of posts were I am saying that a devout president skears me. I dont disagree with you and I think we are saying the same thing. Just not sure Sandy has ever said she only votes for religious candidates is all.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Thank you Aileen,
exactly, my vote has nothing to do with religious views.
Rachel.
Exactly, I very much dislike Huckabee for bringing religion in his campaign.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Finally, Sandy is here and can speak for herself so I can get ready to travel.. lata tatas
February 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
“Just not sure Sandy has ever said she only votes for religious candidates is all.”
Sandy didn’t say that and no one else said that. You are the one that keeps implying it.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
“implying it” meaning that you are implying someone said that Sandy only votes for religious candidates. No one said that.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Aileen
Have a good week, and safe travel
February 24th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Sandy:
Did you vote for GWB? He used the religious right to get elected. To say that both parties use religion the same is very dishonest. Where’s the “religious left”?
“Claiming to have religion and invoking legislation based on religion is not the same.”
That’s the point I was trying to make. Saying I don’t want religion in politics and voting for people who are using it as part of their platform is hypocritically.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Aileen, I’m gonna dissect your post, LoL!
Thats too funny Rachel, I was going to use Huckabee as an example in one of posts were I am saying that a devout president skears me.”
It’s kind of hard to not mention Huckabee, he has been so blatant in his courting the evangelical right…
I trust you all have seen his “subliminal” ad; I mean, when I saw it, I didn’t yet know exactly what the controversy was about, but my first thought was:”Hey! There’s a cross!” I was just SO obvious.
So although I believe both Hillary and Obama are religious, I don’t see them using their faith as a selling point, unlike Huckabee.
And, complete aside, but I watched SNL last night, and Huckabee appeared in Weekend Update, and I have to say, he was a blast! The man truly has great comic timing. Just watch that bit if you get the chance, it was really funny!
I could probably like that guy if only he got out of politics and focused on music and comedy skits!
But he’s a politician, and in my view, mixing politics with religion the way he does is just plain wrong.
“I dont disagree with you and I think we are saying the same thing.”
I bet we are too!
I just have this tendency to over-explain everything, consequently muddling my own points and tripping all over my too many words. Just like I’m doing now!
“Just not sure Sandy has ever said she only votes for religious candidates is all.”
I think Sandy doesn’t have the choice; (neither the rest of you, actually, Muwhaha!) I mean, aren’t they ALL religious to a certain extend?
The way I see it, the difference is that some candidates wear their faith on their sleeve, and others don’t.
And though at the end of the day, it might not seem like a big deal, I will influence some voters, so it is a big deal, really.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
“I mean, aren’t they ALL religious to a certain extend?”
The answer is no.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Oh I misread, I didn’t mean you were talking about the candidates.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Now I mistyped. Sheesh!
I meant to write that I didn’t realize you were referring to the candidates.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Democrats DON’T use religion to pass legislation that will single out certain groups and discriminate against them. There was a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, “backed by President Bush and conservative groups.”