The View January 12th Recap: A Day of Hot Topics and Ann Coulter
Today on The View, all five hosts were present for this “Day of Hot Topics.” Elisabeth Hasselbeck went to Washington, DC with Sherri Shepherd. Elisabeth went to the oval office and met President Bush, along with Tim and the children. President Bush talked with Grace about his dogs, because she had brought the dogs some biscuits. Taylor gave Bush a head butt. Elisabeth said it was “eye-opening” to be in his presence and talk with him. She said that he is not the caricature we have all been fed. Sherri said she was outside the White House door, saying “Can I get in?” They filmed a segment that will air later about their time in Washington, DC.
Barbara Walters said it was a thrill all the times that she has been to the White House. She asked Elisabeth if she took anything like she does. Elisabeth joked that she left something– a Cheerio in every room from Taylor. She told the president he was welcome to come on the show. Barbara said that Bush said today in is final press conference that he hopes people are respectful. Barbara said that she wanted to mention that because Ann Coulter is on the show today and the discussion of what is appropriate to say comes up. Joy asked if it was a Republican Memorial Day today. Sherri wanted to make sure that President-Elect Obama knows that she does not steal like Barbara does.
The next topic was that Paul McCartney will be on the show on Wednesday.
Then they talked about the Golden Globes Awards. The show was produced by Barbara’s former step-daughter. Barbara was happy that Mad Men and In Treatment received awards (although she called the second show “In therapy.”) Sherri was happy that Slumdog Millionaire won and said everyone should see it. Then she said something about Tina Fey’s speech, but then the clip did not play. Then the clip of Tracy Morgan’s speech was played for the win by 30 Rock , where he joked that he was the face of post-racial America and “take that Cate Blancett.” Joy asked why he said that and Sherri said because she is the whitest person (or something to that effect). Elisabeth said that Sherri had something to do with 30 Rock winning because she was on the show. Sherri joked that she just had sex on the show. Whoopi was happy Mickey Rourke won. They played his acceptance speech where he thanked his dogs.
Elisabeth will be on Sean Hannity tonight.
Barbara talked about Kate Winslet, who won two awards last night, and said her acceptance speech sounded like she was having an orgasm because she was so excited and overwhelmed. Elisabeth said she does not even know if she was that way when she gave birth to her children. Whoopi said it is hard to give a speech because you have such a limited amount of time and you get nervous and excited. Barbara said that they let everyone talk last night. Whoopi said the Oscars don’t let you.
Patrick Swayze went into the hospital on Thursday with pneumonia and Whoopi said everyone’s thoughts are with him. His new show will air this Thursday. He is still in the hospital under observation.
They talked about Ann Coulter’s book and Barbara read a quote from it where she wrote that biracial celebrities, like Halle Berry, Alicia Keys, and Barack Obama, have chosen to side with their black side, to the disrespect of their white mothers, even though their black fathers abandoned them. Barbara said it was not true and she has met all of them and they all praise their white mothers. She also said that people should try being half-white and half-black, it is not easy. Sherri said that the world tells people what they are, like Halle Berry and Barack Obama. Joy said that if they identified as white, people would say they were denying their black side. Whoopi said that she finds it interesting that a 5’7” inch blond woman is saying these things like she has some experience in the area and called it “bull–.” She said that is disingenuous to say those things, not knowing the experience personally. Whoopi’s daughter is fair and usually responds “I am human” when people ask her what race she is.
Ann Coulter appeared in the next segment to promote her new book. She was already at the table when they got back from commercial, so there were no greetings between her and the hosts. Whoopi asked Ann about her chapter on single mothers and how they lead to crimes. Ann said that it is based on social science research. Ann mentioned something about “the left” and Whoopi said, “I know you want to do the whole “left thing” because that is your act.” Whoopi said that the research has been found to be untrue. Ann also took issue with the fact that single actresses use a baby to further their career. Whoopi took offense, because she was a single Hollywood mother, but Ann said she was just talking about the last few years.
Elisabeth asked Ann why she doesn’t come down on the fathers who abandon the children. Ann said that people who say they are victims have doors open for them and she doesn‘t like the way that single mothers are exalted. Ann is not married and does not have kids. Whoopi said if she had children she would know more about what she is talking about. Barbara said that there are women who want children and can give them goods home. Ann said that it is selfish. Sherri said that Ann lacks compassion and judges others and asked her if she goes out into the community to talk to girls about safe sex. Ann said, “of course,” (I think) and then started talking about something else.
Joy said that Sarah Palin is acting a victim and why does Ann say that liberals are the only one acting victims? Elisabeth said that the media attacked Palin’s daughter’s unborn children.
Ann said that, regarding the issue they talked about before she came out, she based her findings on the fact that Obama named his first book Dreams from my Father and Halle Berry talked about her black family members in her Oscar speech. Ann said that when Barbara read her book aloud earlier, it sounded like she was reading Mein Kampf.
Barbara read another segment from the book in a soft, sweet voice, which was some negative things about JFK. Barbara asked her what she thinks about Caroline Kennedy. Ann said that we don’t know much about her. Sherri said to Ann, who repeatedly said she was being attacked, that they aren’t attacking her and doesn’t appreciate the way she is talking to Barbara.
As they tried to go to break, Whoopi said she wanted to reiterate that they were not attacking her. When Ann tried to say something, Whoopi told her that she listened and now it is your turn to listen. She added that Ann can dish it, but not take it.
The crowd cheered several times when the hosts said things to Ann throughout the interview. I also thought the hosts all bonded over their shared dislike of Coulter.
The next segment was makeovers for the guest dressing rooms at the show.
The View, Ann Coulter, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, Sherri Shepherd, Barbara Walters, Golden Globes, Kate Winslet, President Bush
January 12th, 2009 at 11:04 am
to day was on fire my. boy i thought Whoopi was going after that Ann boy i was laughing the hold time when they all was talking at the same time.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:05 am
So I did not have clinic today so I decided to tune in.
With 8 days left I guess it is cool that the , very soon to be, ex president could spend a hour with EH. (Poor Sherri can’t even get a hello.(LOL) ) I guess EH will spread the good word about Bush to Hannity tonight.
Can’t wait to see Slumdog Millionaire tonight. Tracy Morgan is crazy. (LMAO) Congrats to all the winners.
All those mixed stars identify as black because they are seen as black . Mixed stars like Wentworth Miller who look white don’t because people see him as white. I’m with Whoppi how the hell would Ann Coulter know what it is for them. Most mixed people I know will identify however they like but will say’ hey my mom is this my dad that’ so no one is left out.
I just love AC she was just so wonderful on the show today I’m glad I did not miss her.
Glad they fixed there dressing rooms I guess.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Coulter: Where do I begin…? Let me start off with some levity for you all ( I hope).
I changed channels once during the Coulter segment to “Rock of Love Tour Bus”, and I got confused.
I thought for a second that Ann Coulter was one of the slutty drunk blondes drinking tequila, exposing herself, and getting eliminated by Bret Michaels.
Oh wait maybe that was her…..
Next —-
January 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Well, they let her have it. Ann’s day could have been better spent at the receiving end of a Tennis Ball Mortar Launcher. Nice job ladies. Thank you.
Did you all know Ann Coulter’s middle name was Hart?
That irony belongs right up there with Karl Christian Rove.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Why do they invite Ann Coulter on the show and then talk over her whenever she tries to elaborate on what her book was about?
The most annoying part of this show is that the hosts all interrupt and talk over each other. As a viewer, you can’t figure out what is being said in a logical fashion.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am
OMFG!!!! What a show today!!! First of all, Joy looked visibly pissed and made quite a few faces at BW and spat out CAN I FINISH?? Also Whoops gave BW dirty looks tooo. They were both probaly pissed that Anne was there today. Then Ann going after the hosts?!?!?!?!?! OMG I thought Sherry was gonna bitch slap her!! She told her off!! You know it will be all over the media today folks. Go shheeckkk it out!!
I’m just saying…
p.s. I am going to re watch this.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Barbara SHUTUP!!!
She interrupts Elisabeth’s story about the White House to tell us for the umpteenth time that she steals from the White House on her many many visits there. And then she interrupts Whoopie being moderator to talk about Kate Winslet sounding like she’s orgasmic when giving her acceptance speech. I don’t know about you BW but I’ve never had to thank a man for making me make those kind of noises. After all her years in TV she doesn’t understand Mad Men is on hiatus?
Elisabeth is on Sean Hannity *YAWN*
OK, now Ann Coulter.
As the mother of a biracial son I would hope everyone would see him as I do, a nice young man who contributes something to the world. Unlike Coulter who contributes nothing. Elisabeth, take note. If you’re not careful you will find yourself on the same lecture circuit as Ann being paid to speak to the same wing nuts.
Jeffrey Dahmer came from a two parent home. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were both for a time raised by single mothers and they became President. IT IS NOT WHO RAISES YOU BUT HOW YOU WERE RAISED.
Sherri and Whoopie, Thank you for smacking Coulter down.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I do think the hosts were all disgusted with Coulter from the get go - yes even Elizabeth, and gearing up to question Coulter. But, the cross-talk, and the uneveness, and incompletenees (no followup) with what could have been tougher, more focused questioning brings us back to the one of the inherent weaknesses of the show’s format.
Maybe they should have lengthened the segment with Coulter; maybe they could have paired the questioners down to just two , BW, and Whoopi, then maybe brought Coulter back to the entire panel at the table. I think they use to do that years ago with certain guests.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Adding on to my above…I wish BW or Whoopi could have gone more direct “toe to toe” with her. I wish BW could have gotten an answer to the JFK reference in Coulter’s book.
And I wish BW could have gotten back to Coulter on the “Mein Kampf disgusting reference Coulter made directly to BW. I was hoping for some real verbal fireworks at the point, because I thought that really incensed BW - and rightly so…
January 12th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Why do they call this a “Day of Hot Topics” and then have a guest AND a segment on the dressing rooms(who cares!)? Really no different than any other day, yet the special title. I don’t get it.
I can’t stand Ann Coulter, and just don’t understand how she gets booked on any shows. I know it’s her schtick (or act) to be so provocative, but worse than that, SHE DOESN’T EVER SHUT UP. She’ll talk nonstop and others can’t get a word in.
Joy had a disgusted look for the first few minutes, and didn’t say much for a while. I wonder if something happened just prior to coming on.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Ann is a woman suffering from arrested development. She carries herself like a 20-year-old: flipping her hair, the endless supply of slinky black cocktail dresses and knee high patent boots are cliché.
She has never been married, never had children, and at 47, her time has passed.
She is Rush in a miniskirt – and both of them need to be put out to pasture.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I found the show today absolutely horribe! If you are going to have a show called “the view” why don’t you let people share their view? They had Ann Coulter on the show today and then screamed at her the whole time, she couldn’t even defend what they were criticizing. Why don’t they rename the show “Our View”
January 12th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Diane and Kelley: Laughed my ass off!
So now that Lizzie had an audience with the Busher do you think she still believes in
“GUILT BY ASSOCIATION”? Oh my, then we had to listen to Babs brag about how many times
times she had been to the WH…I’m sure…
we’ve all toured it at some time in our lives..right? I’m sure they appreciated all the cheerios left behind. I wonder where Laura was??
As for Coulter…no doubt about it..she is a
RIGHT WING PIECE OF SHIT!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I don’t even know where to begin on Ann Coulter! What a character, what an ASS.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Kelly #9 - Excellent analysis Kelly !
“Ann is a woman suffering from arrested development. She carries herself like a 20-year-old: flipping her hair, the endless supply of slinky black cocktail dresses and knee high patent boots are cliché.
She has never been married, never had children, and at 47, her time has passed.
She is Rush in a miniskirt – and both of them need to be put out to pasture.”
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Honestly, I am a bit fascinated with what makes her tick - and her private life / facts. I knew her age also, and that she was never married, middle named ‘Hart” ( Mother’s maiden name, yes the irony).
I would LOVE to know any other private life facts about her….anybody out there…? Got some dirt, ah hem - I mean information …?
January 12th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Dirt -
She had a pie thrown at her during a speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
January 12th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Ann got ripped at her own Alma Mater – University of Michigan – where she got her law degree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DGMSOGdEB4&feature=related
“Bitter and hateful circus freak…with a law degree.”
January 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Wow what a witch Ann Coulter is. Looked like WG said at the very end of that segment “I’m through”. Meaning talking to AC.
Lizzie keeps going she’ll end up being AC’S clone.
woo hoo! she’s on H & C. tonight.
Yep Joy looked like she was ticked off when she came on. WG. kicked JB a couple times under the table when BW was talking LOL!
Lizzie had the church lady face on most of the time.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Ok - last one…too funny
Perfected: The Ann Coulter Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_2a7Lrl80
January 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Ok, for you peeps who cant stand AC. I have a link on AC which someone blogged about a few years ago. Please email me at aileengil@aol.com requesting the link. I will respond to your email a.s.a.p.
HeHeHe.. I didnt write this stuff but somehow I found this hysterical….
This article is not for the faint of heart.
- Aileen
January 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
As a mother of 2 biracial children, I was ready to slap that Coulter witch. I have two daughters, one has the coloring of Mariah Carey, who refers to herself simpy as “multiracial” and the other is brown skinned like Halle Berry, who calls herself a black biracian person, as Obama does. I love them both, they both love me and I know the way they define themselves has nothing to do with the color of my skin, and it has nothing to do with the color of their father’s skin. It has everything to do with the way the world sees them and treats them.
It’s the Ann Coulters of the world who just seem hell bent on terrorizing biracial kids and people in interracial relationships.
Hey, guess what Ann. When you are born with the best of both worlds, you can call yourself what you want and identify as you want. Get over it, bony bitch!
January 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I honestly don’t know what to say but here goes…
Why on earth did “The View” give AC even one second to promote what is very close to being hate literature? I just don’t get it! The producers and co-hosts have an amazing opportunity to support women and instead they chose to bring on a person who accuses single mothers of being selfish and victimizing their children. Instead, why not bring on a person who actually works in the field and is actually an expert who can truthfully refute or support the stats that AC so casually tosses about and insists are fact. Then a discussion on a solution if indeed there is a problem.
And the whole siding with “their black side” issue…what a seriously lame thing to say.
I think AC has to keep stirring the pot because the very thought of people living in harmony and being tolerant of each others differences terrifies her. Then how would it be possible for her to make millions off of being hateful and mean-spirited?
And BW, please quit interrupting and allow some dialogue between the others. I’m not quite sure what it is that you are so nervous of…but I know it is making me and your co-hosts (if today can be an example) very uncomfortable.
Great comments from prior posts…
Diane, Wiki has quite a bit about AC’s life including she has been engaged several times and fired many times.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Joy could not have looked more sour than she did this morning. She needs to get a grip and leave the “I hate ALL republicans” banner home or find another job. Because of all of her rants on The View, I turn off any show she in which she makes an appearance.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
JOEY # 18 “And BW, please quit interrupting and allow some dialogue between the others. I’m not quite sure what it is that you are so nervous of…but I know it is making me and your co-hosts (if today can be an example) very uncomfortable.”
Response : I agree with Joey about the interruptions and awful “cross chatter”. I can not believe that Winnie was able to write a recap. If I did not have this blog to read, I never would have known what everyone said, during How Topics and the Horrible AC segement.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Joey - I’ll check out Wiki. You ar are right - once again, it points to the tiresome flaws in the View’s format.
SusieQ - I do not walk in your shoes regarding raising a biracial son. God Bless You. Your skin must have crawled with AC’s comments - she speaks as if she does walk in your shoes.
Kelly - Great links - never saw the one at Univ of Mich.
Gotta share this link. It’s Ann Coulter appearing on Donnie Deutsch’s, “The Big Idea” (on CNBC) about 2 yrs ago. Check out the short-skirt leg crossing. Note the slow motion sequence.
Do we sense a little Sharon Stone wannabe in “Basic Instinct” ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smSQ9y-N30E
January 12th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
I watched the Show to see how things would go and it Ann’s voice is like nails on a chalk board. Every woman in my family besides myself have become single parents. Due to circumstances beyond their control, like death or divorce.
Kudos to TLB for calling out the absent fathers. I do think children do better in a healthy two parent home. Be it two straight parents or two gay parents. I pretty much grew up without my father and my brother suffered greatly because our dad wasn’t around.
My stepfather may as well have not been there he was an alcoholic. Single mothers like married mothers work their butts off to keep things going.
I thought Whoopi did a great job of explaining to Ann the single mother issue and Sherri called her out on lack of compassion. Ann was frustrated and it showed.
I’m glad she was pretty much shut down. I was pleasantly surprised by all.
mibi, I’m going to see Slumdog this week.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
#18. I agree. This is 2009, people really need to move on beyond race. My daughter and my son come from a mixed heritage and they identify with both my hubby’s Italian side and my Native American side. A kid in her class asked my daughter what was she? and she told him “a human being.”
Both my children are very confident and we talk openly about issues of race.
It’s up to the individual to decide for themselves. It’s not society’s job to tell people who and what they are.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Aileen, I noticed that too about WG being irritated by BW’s interruptions. Of cource BW was ready to jump in and remind EH how many times she had been in the WH!
January 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
joey Says:
“Why on earth did “The View” give AC even one second to promote what is very close to being hate literature? I just don’t get it! The producers and co-hosts have an amazing opportunity to support women and instead they chose to bring on a person who accuses single mothers of being selfish and victimizing their children.”
“I think AC has to keep stirring the pot because the very thought of people living in harmony and being tolerant of each others differences terrifies her. Then how would it be possible for her to make millions off of being hateful and mean-spirited?”
MY RESPONSE: Well said joey!!! I agree!
January 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
From Huff post:
“Hasselbeck’s Toddler Headbutts Bush”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/12/elisabeth-hasselbeck-visi_n_157139.html
January 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
#21 Rain
I agree that EH Should be commended for “calling out the absent father”. I thought it was a very valid and necessary comment.
I’ve seen healthy families in many different configurations and unhealthy ones in just as many. Some of most functional families I know have been non-traditional but have developed strong extended families and support. I think that’s something we need to look at trying to provide…
January 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Rain, your daughter’s answer reminded me of a question I was once asked. When my son was a baby someone actually asked me if I was going to raise my son to be “black”. I asked her to define “black”. She didn’t have an answer. I told her I was going to raise him to be a “human being”. Your daughter is very smart for her age.
When Tiger Woods first became he famous I remember him telling Oprah he considered himself to be Caucausian, Black and Asian. People were upset because they thought he should just say he’s black.
Whoopie, Sherri, and Joy seem relaxed about race issues. Elisabeth, IMO, tries too hard to make it seem like race isn’t an issue for her.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Of course! Oops! Why does BW do that voice?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Elisabeth was trying very hard to make it look like she doesn’t agree with Anns opinions. Everyone is saying what a bitch Ann is, but I feel that if the ladies can’t remain composed and despise this woman so much why have her on the show to promote a book they do not support?
The entire segment was tense, awkward and unprofessional.
My advice to The View:Don’t have a controversial guest on if you can’t handle it.
Even at the very end, they were making fun of Coulter and of course Barbara commenting on how they try to be nice to everyone. @@
Please..
they all reminded me of the bitchy clique in high school.
Elisabeth.. she is the absolute worst. She will stab you in the back while she smiles in your face. She sure knows how it feels to be up against 4 to 5 woman who do not agree with her, and yet, she chose to go along with the gang mentalitytoday against Coulter.
Does anyone believe for a minute someone like Elisabeth with her ultra conservative, traditional values would disagree with Coulters opinions on single motherhood, etc?
I am not defending what Ann Coulter says by any means, but I didn’t like how her interview was handled.
I was very interested in what she had to say.. they should have just let her talk, IMO, the cohosts would not come out looking so catty and unprofessional if they had.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I missed the first 5 minutes, so I missed EH’s comment about “eye-opening” and was curious what she meant by it.
Ann Coulter - wow! What an angry, mean, hurtful, ignorant woman. It did seem that the others were on the same page about her, and that was nice to see.
I’m still all upset after all that yelling.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Vegas. ITA. “The entire segment was tense, awkward and unprofessional. ”
I was hoping for more today - they had a great opportunity in this interview , and mostly missed it - again.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
#26. Well said.
“When Tiger Woods first became he famous I remember him telling Oprah he considered himself to be Caucausian, Black and Asian. People were upset because they thought he should just say he’s black.”
Mariah Carey did the same thing.
The people who got upset with Tiger have their own issues. Why should someone be forced into a box, because some people are uncomfortable with them claiming both sides of their heritage?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
The View hadn’t been in the mainstream press for a while so they had to do something to drum up publicity. Sherri’s plane ride with Jeremy Piven wasn’t going to do it.
I hope they talk more about Sarah Palin tomorrow. Of course Elisabeth is going to be on her side.
And why did Barbara have to read the excerpt about JFK when all she had to do was ask Ann about Caroline Kennedy? I think BW gets off on anything sordid.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Thanks for the recap Winnie.
I half-way watched today. I was going to turn it off if the ladies didn’t speak up. I was glad that Elisabeth didn’t say much, but I thought her “What about the fathers?” was an excellent question. I’m sure AC has “sources”, but honestly some of her information seems made up or at least miserably skewed. I just hope AC is doing this for the money. I would not like to live with that much negative energy in my system!!
I have removed Fox News from our TVs. I will have to catch a recap of Hannity.
Personally, I would like for someone to do research on NCLB. I have a 12 yo in public school. NCLB is such a bad program. Our district has eliminated tried and true learning and testing methods for the ones dictated by this program. I could go on and on with examples that would curl your toes! I volunteer at a at a junior high and a GED center. It’s been reported that the drop-out rate is on the rise.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
“The View hadn’t been in the mainstream press for a while so they had to do something”
OMG! I was thinking the same thing. It’s just another way to get people talking about the show and here we are… LOL!
January 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Rain, that’s the problem in this country…People think of race as being on a team or something. Like you can’t play for both.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
The American voters and BO did an amazing job changing the perception of race and tolerance in the USA. Why then, give notice to someone like Ann Coulter, who makes big bucks over keeping bigotry alive…I suppose we need to know she’s out there, but I’d rather not reward someone for such poor behaviour.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Rain, at least the people on this blog talk intelligently and make sense. Those 5 women should come here sometime and see how easy it is to have a polite and informative discussion. I nominate you for moderator.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
honest question does anyone like an coulter
January 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I think what someone needs to tell Ann on the race issue is she has no idea what she is talking about (nor does she have a clue on being a single mother). First of all Halle Berry and B. Obama come from a different generation than biracial kids of today. When they were kids, you basically were either white or black, and society - white people - viewed them as being black because of the old time rule one ounce of black blood and your are black. That is probably what they had to face growing up and that was not an easy thing if you are going home to a white mother. Society 30 yrs ago told you what you were, it didn’t matter what color your mom was. Halle’s mom did what she had to do to help Halle get along in a world that pretty much just saw white and black, because she knew when people looked at her child they saw a little black girl. Now that these people are successful all of sudden Ann wants them to embrace thier white side when it was white society that probably rejected them. (and I say probably because I don’t know if that is what happened to them personally but it did to the few biracial kids that I grew up with 20 to 30 yrs ago).
January 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Joey ,
People like Ann, Rush and Hannity make their money on the division in this country. They have to keep people at each others throats.
Every month or so they’ll roll out a new minority group for their flock to hate.
They pretty much tell people that these groups are the cause of all the problems in this country…. the gays, the liberals, the democrats, and the immigrants.
The sad part is, I don’t believe that people like Ann, Rush and Hannity, believe the crap their spewing, but their followers do.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
How unprofessional can you get! All 5 women of the view showed NO class. You ask a controversial person to be on the show and you jump on her before she even gets out. You ask her questions and you never let her finish her thoughts. I think if you all look at your show, even you will see how rude you were. Maybe you should have read the book and looked for any common ground that might help the situation she is talking about. For Whoopi to say the facts aren’t true, did she even do any research? I don’t watch the view and I’ve never watched Ann, it reminds me why I don’t watch it. BW used to be a gracious person.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Yes EH Bush is not what the media has portrayed him as…HE IS WORSE. You couldn’t pay me enough money to go visit him. I have no respect for a man who shows no concern for human life. I am glad your son head butted him. There is hope for you afterall Taylor!
I will be watching Hannity tonight to see what EH has to say this evening…
About AC….I’m sure she will say she was attacked just like McCain was. This woman should not be allowed to promote her hate filled books. In regards to the race issue….Euh, could you imagine if Obama would have said he was white??!!! We would have laughed at him and thought he was a joke. I think only people who are of mixed race can make comments about it. AC should not be making comments about things she knows nothing about!!!! I do believe that EH has the same views as AC.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Does anyone else think that there is something going on behind the scenes at the view? It has been very tense lately. They seem out of sync with each other.
Today show with Ann was pure ratings. She is a person who occupation is controvesery. I think the point she was trying to make about single mothers was that if you choose to be a single mother than accept all that goes with it don’t look around and expect extra’s for your choice to be a single parent. Sometimes it is a choice,sometimes it is not. Maybe the fact checkers could have done a better job at getting some backup information for the view women to counter AC imformation.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
kaytee,
Excellent point about the generational issue.
#38. All the women on this blog are just as capable if not more than the View hosts.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
And another thing, I was proud of Sherri the way she stood up for BW. But Elizabeth jumped on Ann C’s side when they brought up Sarah Palin, about the media attacking her. I thought that was a golden oppotunity to say that the last unwed pregnant teenager that was in the news and trying to make it look “okay” was not in Hollywood, but on the freaking RIGHT at the rep convention - Sarah Palin’s daughter!!!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I rarely post but I must say I it was very refreshing to read the comments on the show today. All were respectful and well thought out. It’s a shame The View felt the need to give AC a forum to sell her book full of hate. But I guess since her party has managed to alienate just about every other minority group, they’ve decided to go after single mothers now.
The recap was excellent, I can’t wait for the video.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
sorry, that would be “opportunity”.
I need spell check on this board.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
First they had little “miss I know everything and you don’t” touting her visit with a prez that has a 29% approval rating..such gushing..thought she’d have an orgasm right then and there! Then when the raving maniac coulter opened her giant chasm and was asked by Joy about her idol, Palin, EH chimed in her ranting voice excusing her (Palin).
I agree that Bawa was interrupting Whoopi and that they shouted over each other enough to make me swear but that’s what they want, to get folks talking about it and raising their numbers.
I did like Sherri defending Bawa to coulter and telling her not to talk that way to her.
Give me an easy going show like the other day when EH was off. That was more relaxing!
January 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Kaytee, excellent point about Bristol Palin. At least the “Hollywood” teenage mothers have their own money to support their children.
Dyanne, Joy hasn’t seemed herself lately. I hope everything is OK with her. She just seems a little off.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
AC - The View 1/12/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZ9UM_auxs
January 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I was ROTFLMAO! when TLB basically said that Bush has gotten a bad rap. We can only judge him by his actions.
Torture and sheer incompetence comes to mind. How disgusting is it that he takes the time to meet a talk show host, but won’t meet with Cindy Sheehan?
January 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Thanks for the recap Winnie,
I didn’t watch the show, however I always read your recap, either way.
From the recap and comments, it sounds like the show was just as I thought it would be, in regards to A.C.
I did not expect the interview to be that professional, and DID expect a lot of cross talking. In this case though, with A.C., I understand that.
I also think she was there for the ratings, and I’m sure they got them.
# 39 mibi,
I do not like her …but she must have fans out there somewhere. ??
January 12th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
To the question does anyone like AC - No, I don’t like Ann C. I just cannot understand how someone could have so much hate for whole groups of people and make sweeping judgements about them. I mean the comment about single mothers raising criminals, I don’t know how Sherri sat there without saying, “so you think my child is going to be a criminal because I am a single mother?”
January 12th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
#41 Rain
ITA
“The sad part is, I don’t believe that people like Ann, Rush and Hannity, believe the crap their spewing, but their followers do.”
If that is true, it kind of defines evil doesn’t it? Why would anyone choose to undermine growth,understanding and tolerance in their own country…that to me is beyond unpatriotic.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
#45 Kaytee
“And another thing, I was proud of Sherri the way she stood up for BW. But Elizabeth jumped on Ann C’s side when they brought up Sarah Palin, about the media attacking her. I thought that was a golden oppotunity to say that the last unwed pregnant teenager that was in the news and trying to make it look “okay” was not in Hollywood, but on the freaking RIGHT at the rep convention - Sarah Palin’s daughter!!!!!”
Boy did that thought cross my mind, but you said it for me… Thanxs
January 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Joey, I think it’s fear. People like Ann and Rush and I’m including Elisabeth too, like their life the way it is and I think they’re afraid of people who aren’t like them. Not afraid like they’re going to be physically hurt but afraid like maybe they won’t always be the first in line or maybe there will be less opportunities for them. You know, like they might be a minority.
I have hope that one day people like AC, RL, and SH are just a footnote in the history of Right Wing Intolerance.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think Whoopi and Joy are starting to see things the same way: Babs will do anything for ratings and they are unwilling to join her in the gutter. Today they seemed to take personal offense to Barbara’s tactics. AND Barbara again mentions a personal slight (this time involving Woody Allen and his film) where everyone gets the credit but the creator.
I think Barbara is feeling under…what is the word de jour? Under-exalted.
EH on the other hand, is ready to play gutter ball. Elizabeth is only one spray-tan away from becoming Ann Coulter.
I agree Diane #6 and Vegas: I think EH probably shares Coulters views, but couldn’t break from the pack mentality today. And I don’t think it’s possible to have a professional interview with Coulter – they just beat her at her own game today and although it was uncomfortable, I prefer their approach to the alternative which would have been Ann taking over the segment with a book signing and photos ops with Ann sitting on male-audience member’s laps.
On another note: The White House is working hard to soften Bush’s image in hopes of dodging the war crimes bullet. EH is just a tool to them in Endeavor Manipulate Public Opinion. She’ll go on Sean Hannity’s show and gush over Bush without restraint. She’s definitely in her element and it is so revolting.
BTW: AC claimed John Edwards had a bumper sticker that read: “Ask Me About My Dead Son” when dumping on Edwards for ‘using’ his son’s death to further his political career. Same thing with the 9/11 widows, and the war veterans, and the single mothers…the list goes on and on.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Great points, Kelly - ‘might not be possible to have a professional interview with Coulter’. Or civility, for that matter, thus she would have just spoken over them . Agreed.
EH going to the White House: I never considered that the Bush - “Team Legacy” had Hasselbeck, babies, hubby at the White House in these final days just for p.r. and gearing up for the war crimes bullet. Hmmm…
January 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I just read a reader comment on HuffPo re: EH’s son head butting Bush at the White House visit.
“We all should have the opportunity to head butt him. ” LOL.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
AC is a person feel sorry for. She’s dug a hole she can’t get out of even if she tried. Her narrow mind and hate rhetoric is amazingly sad. Actually she looked like she is ill to me.
Why she thought she could come on this show and not be blasted shows a self-distructive streak. Its almost like she gets off being beat down. Hmmm, that’s a thought. Sadistic!
January 12th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Maybe I missed the explanation, but why was Elizabeth at the White House? I mean we know why BW is invited in, she is usually doing an interview. But was EH interviewing anyone, was she invited, or did she “beg” for a visit (probably knowing this would be her last chance to visit the white house for a while). Was this a way of trying to soften Bush’s legacy, as has been suggested, and they reached out to EH?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I read this site pretty much every day and this is the 1st time I have commented. AC makes me physically sick to my stomach. I choose to have my son, who happens to be biracial, knowing that his father was not going to be part of his life. He will be 2 in February, and though its been a rough 2 years, it was the best decision I’ve ever made. What I don’t understand is, if I had an abortion, AC would then say I was wrong for doing that but now I’m wrong and selfish for having my son. I can’t force my son’s father to be in his life and am so happy I made the right choice to have him but what would her answer to that be??
January 12th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
#60
Jane
“AC is a person feel sorry for. She’s dug a hole she can’t get out of even if she tried.”
I think you’re probably right, but I’m not sure she’d ever try to get out of the multi-million dollar hole she lives in. And I don’t think the words “I am wrong” are a part of her vocabulary.
On a lighter note…Wolf Blitzer was on “The Ellen Show” today…it really was heartwarming.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
# 60 jane,
I understand and agree with your thought of feeling sorry for A.C., somewhat.
In a way i guess i do too. In that, living with all that negativity, and anger, must be depressing. I think I’d be totally depressed all the time. I would not want to be her.
# 61 Kaylee,
I believe that E.H. was invited to the White House. My guess is, this might be the invitation she mentioned, just after complaining that she was not invited to the Christmas Party. If my memory serves me, (which some times it doesn’t) she did say that she was invited at a later time.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
oh, i see. thx, sandy.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
As far as biracial people, that is such bull.
My mother is a person of color that is fair skin, especially when she was younger, so was most of the time thought to be white . I remember her telling us about how people at work would talk about blacks around her not knowing she was black or in their day “colored”. She would just listen and take it all in to give her an idea of who was real and who wasn’t in her work place. She would get the biggest kick out of the look on their faces when one of us kids or my father would come to her job. The back tracking that would go on was something to see. Somedays she would respond to their comments about colored folks by saying things like “oh, I didn’t think that’s how we see it or do it” or “I don’t know if I can work on this report since I’m an unintelligent colored person”. The funny thing though was she got her skin color from 2 generations back where as my father who had a white father was the one who was dark. So he got the otherside of the treatment.
But even though my parents dealt with this first hand that always taught us that it takes all kinds to make the world go round. So prejudice was the problem of the person who was prejudice, not ours.
And I also remember some years ago that if you were 1% percent black then statisticly you were considered black. That was when doing your family tree was the thing to do in the mid 70s, I believe. So once again AC is fully of BS.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I saw Wolf, he was cute!
January 12th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Is there anyway the first half of the hot topics can be posted?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
# 65 jane,
Thanks for sharing a part of your life with us.
So prejudice was the problem of the person who was prejudice, not ours.
Absolutely!!!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
“And I also remember some years ago that if you were 1% percent black then statisticly you were considered black. That was when doing your family tree was the thing to do in the mid 70s, I believe. So once again AC is fully of BS.”
That is so correct, Jane. My point exactly. Halle and President elect Obama both came of age in the 70’s.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Come on rain #51 –
EH was able to spend an ENTIRE 15 minutes with Bush. Between the dog talk, the baby talk and the headbutting, she was able to discern that he is indeed a “good man”, and “SO not the caricature” we’ve been FED all these years.
I don’t know how I got it all so wrong… I’m throwing away my subscription to LIBERALS RULES
January 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I noticed how EH didn’t say anything to disagree with Coulter.
I can’t beleive it took Sheri to actually say something to her about her direspect of BW. EH looked embarrassed. But still didn’t say anything.
Coulter gets off be being ignorant. I love that Joy brought up Palin’s kid and being a single mother.
Too bad nobody mentioned how Coulters doing after having her jaw wired shut. The audience would have loved it.
Why can’t EH take her kid to the White House without constantly feeding him Cherios. What is up with that. She acted like this was the first time she met him. How stupid that they couldn’t even get one shot of Sheri and Bush. Boy how bad does that look.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Stop blaming single mothers and blame the absent fathers; men who did not become real men and do their job as fathers. Now women must do two jobs and they are doing it the very best way they can.
While I adhere to the Republican party in politics, Ann Coulter’s statements about single mothers seem mysogynistic. What she means, I believe, is the breakdown of the nuclear family and most of that blame, in my mind, can fall on the absence of fathers, not the poor single mothers who are left raising children on their own, against their wish to be married. I had to leave, (note the words ‘had to leave’) my father’s child due to the severe and regular beatings for which he was eventually jailed. I did not wish a divorce or single motherhood. But I had to leave and remember, one good parent is better than two with one being beaten on a regular basis.
Ann Coulter, most mothers wish to be married and in a stable relationship, but very often (and not all the time of course) men leave or have affairs or walk away against the wish of the mother and create single motherhood; it is by far the larger statistic. We may not wish it but it happens.
Stop blaming single mothers and blame the absent fathers; men who did not grow up responsibly and become real men. Now women are doing two jobs and doing it the very best way they can.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
#70. LOL! I want my money back too. Maybe it was all a bad dream.
#65. That was called the “one drop rule.” Created by racist to keep the so called “white race pure.” I often wondered how any group could be insulted if someone decided to embrace both sides of their heritage. It takes courage to stand up and say I will not allow you to define who I am.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
#65
68
“So prejudice was the problem of the person who was prejudice, not ours”
I think this is a wonderful thought to share with a child who is in a safe place and that it would help them understand their own value. And it is true that bigotry hurts the bigot. However, historically prejudice and cultural misunderstandings have caused the death and pain of millions and millions of humans. That’s why being vigilant against it is so important. A current example of this is the vote for Prop 8. Who gained anything by this is something I can’t fathom.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
“That’s why being vigilant against it is so important.”
So true.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
kaytee Says: “kaytee Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I think what someone needs to tell Ann on the race issue is she has no idea what she is talking about (nor does she have a clue on being a single mother). First of all Halle Berry and B. Obama come from a different generation than biracial kids of today. When they were kids, you basically were either white or black, and society - white people - viewed them as being black because of the old time rule one ounce of black blood and your are black.”
MY RESPONSE: Excellent point, kaytee!!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Kelly,
another point about TLB thinking Bush is a “good man” is.. how has his bad decisions impacted her life? She made out pretty well supporting his failed policies.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
#73,
It goes both ways. It also takes courage to stand up to the multiracial proponents as well and say, “I define myself as black” or “I define myself as white”. It goes both ways. Calling yourself one or the other is not throwing away the other part of your heritage. It’s simply defining yourself on your own terms, regardless of what box someone else wants to put you in, be the people who judge you black, white, or multiracial.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I misunderstood at first, I thought the headbutter was the Bush dog.
I noticed “He’s not the caricature the media makes him out as” got zero response from the audience.
BW looks like her hair stylist is going for the Brady Bunch Florence Henderson shag.
I had a classmate whose mom is Mexican and whose dad is Irish. She got her red hair and freckles from dad and her egalitarian feminism from both.
It may well be a valid statistic that the prison population disproportionately comes from single parent households. But doesn’t that play into the liberal agenda that we need to supply more early education and other programs for at-risk youth?
yes bits rose to the defense of her sistah Sarah. I did wonder if Palin was covering up for her daughter’s pregnancy, because the water breaking in Texas, but she had to get back to Alaska showed appalling and selfish judgment. And Sarah, if you ever do come on The View [which I doubt she will, because she seems like she prefers the company of men], remember that BW IS the center of the universe.
Jeez, they take umbrage at any slight to them but rarely apologize for the umbrage they commit unto others.
The dressing rooms were sad and showed how cheap this show is.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
susieq Says: “The View hadn’t been in the mainstream press for a while so they had to do something to drum up publicity. Sherri’s plane ride with Jeremy Piven wasn’t going to do it.”
MY RESPONSE: You’re so right. They know that the only reason large amount of people tune in is for the contreversy. It sure isn’t for the informative talk or great guest segments.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Also, I found it ironic that the one person to stand up for BW when Ann was hurling insults at her was Sherrie. The one BW always seems to put down. Her little Bitsy sat there quiet as a church mouse.
And whoever said that Bitsy doesn’t think any differently from Ann, well, you’re totally correct. She was pretty much quiet the entire time until she mentioned absentee fathers and started defending Sarah Palin.
If I recall correctly, I can remember Bitsy questioning why Obama doesn’t call himself white. So she thinks the same way as Ann on most issues.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
#48 Jennie Says:” Yes EH Bush is not what the media has portrayed him as…HE IS WORSE. You couldn’t pay me enough money to go visit him.”
MY RESPONSE: Same here Jennie. But of course suck up “a” kisser Bits is there to gush on and on about him. I wonder if she brought her pom poms with her to the White House?
January 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
#73. Families must make those choices on their own. No one is saying they have to choose either or. As a mother of two children of mixed race, I would feel slighted if they choose my hubby’s heritage over mine. They are being raised to embrace both. It’s a “choice” we have made as a family. Each family is different.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Kamryn01
“Is there anyway the first half of the hot topics can be posted?”
On my site the entire program is available…perhaps shut down and revisit the site…the entire recap isn’t there but at the bottom of the first part of it click on read the rest of this entry. the whole thing is there plus scroll down and all of the posts by the bloggers are there. I’m totally rotten at giving directions so if it doesn’t ask again and someone else can help.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Oops my post was to # 85.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
marthe Says: “Jeez, they take umbrage at any slight to them but rarely apologize for the umbrage they commit unto others.”
MY RESPONSE: Especially Bits. She has a lot of nerve talking about “the media” attacking someone.
#87, spelling error correction: controversy
January 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
By the way, there are soooo many good comments today! It’s so hard to keep up! I want to respond to each of you, you’ve all made such great points! I’m sitting here reading and nodding my head, giggling and/or cheering
January 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Religious organizations who buy AC’s book in bulk to ensure top sales figures should lose their tax exempt status pronto.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
#88, Kels,
yes that is pretty typical of Bitsy. I bet she was agreeing with AC all along.
And good point about Sherri coming to BW’s defense, and not Bitsy. But then, that’s how Bitsy is; remember she always sided with Faux News and not Rosie. I don’t think she’d hesitate in stabbing BW in the back too..
January 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I see where you’re coming from, rainlille. As a mother of biracial kids, the people I most worry about when it comes to my kids are the Ann Coulters of the world. Sometimes they aren’t as vicious as Ann, but basically I mean the people who want to put someone else in a box to for whatever reason. The ones who always as “What are you?!!” Why The View thought it was ok to put this hatemonger on, I don’t know.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
AC is a sad state of affairs. She strikes me as someone who is exceptionally lonely, nervous, not very liked even with people who share her pov. She’s caustic, overly sensative, and just like one of the hosts (or maybe all them) said, she can dish it but can’t take it.
She’s a classic “baiter/switcher.” I honestly feel sorry and pity for her because again, I believe her to be a very lonely person.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Poor BW I really think she is starting to loose it. Time for her to take a long break.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
“the people I most worry about when it comes to my kids are the Ann Coulters of the world.”
So do I. Sadly both my hubby and myself have folks who think like Ann in our families. I feel a sense of sadness for them, because they are missing out on being in the lives of two wonderful human beings.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
I noticed a lot of tension between BW and Joy. What was that about?
January 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Well said Kels. ITA
#84 Good point Rain. The old “Horary For Me – Screw You” philosophy.
EH is in the 27% who approve – who somehow benefited the last 8 years. And that 27% are now trying to define/defend Bush’s legacy, entirely disinterested in what has happened to the remaining 73% of the nation.
On CBS this morning, a correspondent was reporting from Afghanistan during Bush’s speech – and the reporter said the troops turned their backs to the TV, claiming “THAT [Bush] isn’t real…THIS [Afghanistan] is real.” Our troops are on their 4th and 5th MANDATORY tours of duty. Bush’s 6-month Iraq War is now in year 6 with billions missing and trillions to be paid back to China.
BUT I’m glad EH got to rub up against George W. one last time. Now I can die in peace.
Denial…it’s a lucrative business.
#86 marthe says: I noticed “He’s not the caricature the media makes him out as” got zero response from the audience.
My response: They were probably all sitting their slack-jawed. They’re probably still sitting there.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
#79 Tamara
I think you said very clearly and articulately what most women know to be true…
Women are still in most public and corporate situations a large minority. And then if as a woman, you are in a racial or other minority odds are against you.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Well, it looks like the View got what it wanted. Here we all are talking about their controversial guest. Maybe next week they’ll book Bernie Madoff and he can give us all investment tips.
Ann Coulter is hawking a hateful vicious book and letting her be a guest today makes the View abettors in her crime of inhumanity.
Oh, how I long for the days of Meredith dressing up as a baked bean.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Marthe #86 - “I misunderstood at first, I thought the headbutter was the Bush dog.” LMAO.
Susieq - “susieq Says: “The View hadn’t been in the mainstream press for a while so they had to do something to drum up publicity. Sherri’s plane ride with Jeremy Piven wasn’t going to do it.” ITA.
Msroncon #78 - “Too bad nobody mentioned how Coulters doing after having her jaw wired shut. The audience would have loved it.”
…dying to know what you meant?
January 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
So many great comments today.
Where’s Roger ?
January 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Thanks Joey!
January 12th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Single mothers should be blamed for their choices in partners. Absent fathers should be blamed for their choice in walking away from their children.
To blame one sex over the other is wrong. Both sexes are responsible for their choices.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Okay call me stupid, but exactly how do I get onto the website?
January 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Here’s info about Ann’s jaw…
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/11/oh-dear-page-si.html
January 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
I guess I’m not only in the minority, but I AM the minority here where seeing-feeling tension from the ladies is concerned. I just didn’t. In fact I thought it was wonderful how they had one anothers backs today. It was probably the first time I felt the solidarity amongst all of them. They bicker like sisters, and yeah, I think the hinkiness was in the house today, but again, when it counted, they backed each other I thought, and I was most proud of EH. I really didn’t expect her to voice a counter opinion much to what Ann Coulter said, but Elisabeth spoke up, and apart from Sheri letting AC know she didn’t appreciate the insults she directed at BW, I’d have to say it made my opinion of Elisabeth soften a little more.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Hey Susieq
I know…I wonder the same thing, but I don’t believe this show garnered great ratings and if we discuss it here as a diverse group of people perhaps that’s a good thing.
I do think there are much better women to give air time to…perhaps Roberta Bondar…a Canadian, I know, but she’s pretty awesome. And I can’t believe they would be so petty as to give up the opportunity to support Rosie’s new school for the performing arts. I think that perpetuating the myth that women can’t get along or work together is vile. Sorry for being pedantic but this site is important to many.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Meleon,
During HT Joy and BW exchanged words. You could tell Joy wasn’t happy with being cut off before she finished her point.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“I think that perpetuating the myth that women can’t get along or work together is vile.”
ITA!
January 12th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
You know #81, I didn’t get that Prop 8 thing either.
You know a person came to my door wanting me to sign a petition for Prop 8. I told her as a religious person I just couldn’t see in good faith denying someone their right to choose. After all, if so the next step would be me denying her the right for her to knock on my door. Now would that be right? I then ask her if she was married? She said no. So I said if somewhere in the future life through her a curve and her lifemate proved to be a woman wouldn’t Prop 8 impede upon her future? Or if my grandchildren or her children of the future grew up finding out their lifemate was of the same sex wouldn’t that impede upon their future as well? She just looked at me, stumpled through some words. So, I said thank you but I just can’t sign that petition and deny someone the opportunity of the kind of love I have with my husband. But I did tell her good luck and have a good day.
BUT…I do know 35 years ago I would have said signed it because life experiences hadn’t knocked on my door. My religion and ideaology had many limitation and I gategorized people in the slots I thought fit best. I called myself liberal while fighting for my right to do as a please but I still thought eveyone had to still fit in THEIR little slots. Wow! Age is something to behold.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Thanks Rain - for the ‘wired jaw’ story. Priceless. Now that’s the kind of dirt, I mean, information about Coulter that I am interested in .(kidding)
January 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Jane #115 - Eloquently and beautifully said.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
#88 Kels..
Actually, Elisabeth wasn’t ‘quiet as a church mouse’ at all when Ann was being nasty to Barbara. You may not have noticed it because there was a lot of cross yelling..but Elisabeth kept saying ‘a little respect please’ and then that was when Sherri told Ann she didn’t like how she spoke to Barbara. Two ass kissers. @@
January 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Vegas,
I missed that in the crosstalk. And boy, was there a helluva lot of crosstalk. Until Ann came on, it was a cross between a bunch of crosstalk and outright dead air!
“You go!”
No, you go!”
You go ahead!”
No, I’ll wait, you go!”
It was absolutely ridiculous and you’d think after over a decade, they’d get it together!
January 12th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
#15 Jane
I don’t know what to say except, thanks for taking the time to share your story…I’m a bit teary…
I just don’t understand the threat; my in-laws are very religiously fundamentalist and they would rather give up their opportunity to reach out to family outside their religion (which would be their only son and their only grandchild)than to give up the idea that their religion has complete control over what is the “truth” and that only their belief system will save the world. Not only is this elitist it’s boring and dangerous.
Your comments show how it could be.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
#18
Ass kisser or not, she still disrespected BW. AC was outline. Out and out mean.
And actually BW bowed to AC when she honored AC’s request and read the small part of her book without indignation. I don’t think I would have been that nice, not at all.
AC shouldn’t have came on the show if she couldn’t handle the heat. Those women are known to show their claws. What did she expect? PLEASE!! In fact WG stated before they went to break AC can dish it out but she can’t take it.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
oops
January 12th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Bush and his PR folks must really be desperate. Inviting this bimbo into the Oval Office just to get some positive babble on The View is pretty pathetic. As a Canadian, reading this kind of sums up for me what is wrong with the US. Glorifying the D-list celebrity and ignorance that is Hasselbeck and having the “leader of the free world” spend 15 minutes with her is disgusting. If Mr. Bush had a spare 15 minutes why not spend it with a family of a killed American soldier, the family of someone who died a horrible, undignified death because they didn’t have healthcare, a child from the poor neighbourhood in Washington, D.C. who has achieved good grades despite the state of the school system, etc. etc. etc. God help America!
January 12th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I think Ann got exactly what she wanted… Controversy. Someone e-mailed me a story posted on a right wing site saying how the libs on the View attacked Ann for being a republican conservative.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Well said, Sunny!
January 12th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
susieq Says: “Well, it looks like the View got what it wanted. Here we all are talking about their controversial guest. Maybe next week they’ll book Bernie Madoff and he can give us all investment tips.:
MY RESPONSE: LMAO!!!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I agree 100% with #123 Sunny, and I am a Canadian as well. Surely Bush could have spent 15 minutes with anyone but EH, Tim & those poor children. Still hoping EH is NOT pregnant!!!
We can get her off the show, hopefully, without another child suffering.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
rainlillie Says:”I think Ann got exactly what she wanted… Controversy. Someone e-mailed me a story posted on a right wing site saying how the libs on the View attacked Ann for being a republican conservative..”
MY RESPONSE: Yes, because it could not possibly be the views Ann spews nor her hateful opinions. Nooooooo, it has to just be because she is a Republican conservative.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Sunny
I agree what with what you say but I also believe like Trudeau, that we are in this together…no one is impervious.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
As far as EH & family at the WH - (Yeah, I know we’ll get much more of this) her saying Bush is “so not the caricature we have been fed”, who is she to make that assessment? The girl’s got no cred. Now if it had been JB or klepto BW . . .
January 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Check out Joy’s body language and facial expression in the video.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/12/elisabeth-hasselbeck-visi_n_157139.html
January 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Now we go tabloid…
I’m off to continue to perfect the perfect martini…I truly wish you all could join me…
I don’t think martinis and lamb curry are most people’s cup’o'tea but I promise you would be welcome.
And yes Roger you were missed, I do hope it wasn’t something I said.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Jane, we all hopefully as we age learn and grow from our life experiences.
When Elisabeth was a guest on Rachael Ray a few months back RR asked her if anyone had ever been able to change her mind about something and she said no. This woman is barely into her thirties. Must be nice to be so perfect at such a young age.
And how does a photo op of EH and family with Bush do either one of them any good. It’s like eating bananas dipped in vinegar. It’s enough to make you gag.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Joey,
Enjoy your martini. Thanks for all of your input, I really enjoyed your comments.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“It’s like eating bananas dipped in vinegar.”
LOL! I watched the “Apple Dumpling Gang” with my daughter and one of the characters said “they go together like Ice cream and whiskey.”
January 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Rain, for some reason I knew you would find that funny.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Did anyone notice when WG said that EH was going to be on Hannity tonight, Joy said, “She does great on that show” as to say, Please take the job pronto! Please leave the View. I think Joy has had it with EH and she deals with her because that’s Joy’s bread and butter. Sometimes watching her reactions(Joy’s)towards EH makes me wonder when that split screen is going to occur again.
Oh, and EH is AC all over. Just a younger version.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
“It’s like eating bananas dipped in vinegar. It’s enough to make you gag.”
susieq, that was hilarious!
The more I think about her comments, the more I
:roll: 
. She acts like this is the first time she met him or something, when CLEARLY she has been lockstep with any and everything the man has said and done the last 8 years. Not to mention her prior White House dinner she attended. Or the party she was re-invited to, ya know, after she whined about not receiving an invite. Oh but now that she had a 15 minute meeting with him and proclaims him to not be some caricature, we’re all now suddenly supposed to go “gee, the lies, deception, screw ups, coverups and mishandling disappear because Bitsy said he’s what the media says. Whew! Glad ol objective Bits is on the case! 
And she’d better not ever again complain one bit about celebs getting special treatment.
I think I’m going to go dip a banana in vinegar now. It’s so much more digestable than listening to what she has to say. Good grief.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Man, I really have to agree with those that think why Elisabeth at the White House?
Big deal, she was left off the party list. She may have supported Bush all these years but she did manage to put McCain in an awkward posit about abortion and then proceeded to out Michelle Obama at the RNC. Yet she is invited to a private interview? I think Bush could have put that 15 minutes to better use.
Gah!
January 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
#123 Sunny, well said and ITA. And those meetings you suggested would never have been publicized. It’s all about the image…so sad that he doesn’t seem himself the way the majority of us do.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
watching the full show now. so by sending sherri to DC with bitzer, this means all expenses were paid by ABC. as Dana Carvey would say “how convenient”. i guess you need to try and expense everything you can when you husband is an unemployed 4th-string quarterback…and you are sitting on an outsized mortgage that you signed up for in a market of declining real estate prices. please get this woman off the air waves (she is on Hannity tonight as well…good grief).
January 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
What kills me is that none of the panel (I’m looking at you Joy and Whoopi) said anything about the demographics of teen pregnancy. Red states have a higher incident. Now don’t get me wrong, I think the whole topic is bull. There is not more single parent homes now there is less. When you take into account that in the “old” days it was not tracked and also now we have more shared custody and more incidents of non-custodial parents caring for children - also not tracked.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090107/capt.57d18ca157e2453bb66afdf11a5b870f.teen_births_fix_gfx135.jpg?x=399&y=345&q=85&sig=yDDouDdc5Yt4hYIEdsBYog–
January 12th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
#136. susieq, it was funny. I have to admit I think #142. Made me laugh even harder.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
slumdog was good.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
LOL - rain
mibi - I think Tom Cruise was smitten with Freida Pinto at the Golden Globes. She is gorgeous. Can’t wait to see it.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Only seven days until AC (no, not Anderson Cooper, I mean Ann Coulter), RL (no, not Ralph Lauren, that’s Rush Limbaugh) and SH (yes, Satan Himself) have to suck it (tm, Tina Fey at the Golden Globes). I’m disappointed that a show for that is supposed to be for women would have Ann Coulter on to spew her venom and hatred. And, who does she hate the most right now? That’s right. Other women who are single mothers.
Going back to MarciC’s comment at #68, amen! You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. You are wrong to be a single mother and you’re wrong if you have an abortion, according to AC’s rules. But, Ann won’t have to make that difficult decision, because I’m certain that in accordance with her staunchly conservative views, she’s still saving herself for her wedding night. Maybe that’s why she’s so cranky.
It’s only eight glorious days until President Barack Obama takes office.
It’s a beautiful day in America!
January 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
#148, seven or eight days, I’m so giddy, I can’t even look at the calendar right. Anyway. It doesn’t matter how many days! It just matters that the adults will soon be in charge!
January 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
“Most of all, a fiercely proud American!!!”
That’s where he went wrong.
If he was a fiercely proud American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! + infinite.
Well, yeah…he just needed a few more !
January 12th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
It’s a beautiful snowy night in America!
January 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Wait…the president has nothing better to do than meet with EH and family? Shouldnt’t he be packing or something????
<Waves…..oh no! <Slaps hand down. <Starts to take off shoe…..
January 12th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
#106 Diane–
So many great comments today.
Where’s Roger ?
The most fun show of the year
and I was busy all day… I wanted to watch the show before I commented, but I havent been able to yet. Here it is almost 1 am and Im just getting ready to watch…… I must be insane, but reading all of these posts and Winnie’s recap…. I just have to watch the recording before tomorrow’s show….. you do know they will have to hawk todays show to get a “bigger bang for their buck”
January 13th, 2009 at 12:08 am
#132 Joey–
I’m off to continue to perfect the perfect martini…I truly wish you all could join me……..
Are you trying to get me drunk and take advantage of me??
And yes Roger you were missed, I do hope it wasn’t something I said.
Thank you…. I missed not being here today…. I was busy all day….. I may get hired to work on the 2010 Census….. I dont want to jinx myself but I hope it works out.
Ill make comments on the show…. Im getting ready to watch it before I go to bed.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:18 am
#149 Maureen Cachione–
Hi Roger, Happy New Year. I want to thank you for inching me along to my long-awaited goals. (you know what I mean). I got busy and started to update my writings. Your words pushed me through and I am thankful for that, kid!
Hello Maureen
Congrats, Im glad you are gonna finish what you started….. Let me know if you get published…. Ill even buy a copy instead of going to the library
January 13th, 2009 at 12:26 am
From the comments, I think I was right about Elisabeth being the most quiet of all the hosts when Ann Coulter was on the show.
Monday night we are gonna have a “going away party” for George W. Bush. I hope there will be funny hats and noise makers….. Its gonna be a lot of fun.
Off to watch the view now.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:28 am
I’ve been thinking that the census will add many many government jobs for a decent pay and a decent chunk of time.
Of course Dumbya will take credit for it, cuz he kept us safe from nuclear annihilation.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:21 am
We are at the 2nd break…. Has Joy said anything yet? She made a couple of comments, but nothing of substance. Was she asked to “tone it down” because today is a day for…. how did she say it…. a Republican Memorial?
Maybe she is saving it all for Ann Coulter.
I couldnt figure it out by the stories that they told…. Did Sherri meet President Bush? She said her “story” will be on the 19th…. but did she meet the President?
January 13th, 2009 at 1:26 am
#160 marthe–
Of course Dumbya will take credit for it, cuz he kept us safe from nuclear annihilation.
I know you said this tongue in cheek, but I want to remind everyone… President Clinton kept us safe the entire length of his presidency after the WTC was bombed in 1993… When President Clinton kept us safe he never ordered torture on anyone If President Clinton did it, President Bush could have done the same thing…. instead he chose torture…. he just had to find a lawyer that would say it was legal.
shameful
January 13th, 2009 at 1:36 am
It seemed to me that Joy has been asked to keep quiet or at least cut back…. When Barbara interrupted her she kinda snapped…. It looked like Barbara was worried that there would be too much negativity against her people… she is a republican ya know.
Barbara kept interrupting everyone just before Ann Coulter came out. she seemed very nervous.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:58 am
Ann Coulter wasnt attacked on the show, but I do see why people would say that she was. The problem was the same problem that The View usually has, too many people asking questions, so that no question gets answered. It is too bad too, that were a lot of good questions that werent answered.
What would have impressed me is if they would have “dumped” the dressing room makeover…. and had Ann Coulter on for another segment.
Elisabeth showed her contempt for Ann, Ann responded in kind. Even though Elisabeth holds most of Coulter’s views, EH doesnt have the built-in nastiness. EH is just basically uninformed.
I agree with most people in here… I dont know why Ann Coulter was on the show…. Ill bet she wont be on again with her next book.
Maybe this is the end to the right wing nut cases.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:42 am
I just had a Letter To The Editor published in yesterday’s Tennessean in Nashville about Joe the Plumber’s “15 minutes of fame” he’s enjoying and I have to say the same about Ann Coulter. If the newspapers and the television would quit writing about her or having her as a guest on their shows, she would not be given any fame therefore none of her horrific books would sell and she would be history. I hate the fact that people even give her the time of day as she’s not worth the toliet paper in my bathroom(I put it nicely). Quit having her come on your show. She has no experience in anything she writes about at all..
January 13th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Roger from Ohio Says: “I agree with most people in here… I dont know why Ann Coulter was on the show…. Ill bet she wont be on again with her next book.”
MY RESPONSE: Roger, I’ll take that bet.
The View loves the ratings a controversal guest brings, and the subsequent discussions about it. AC loves the attention, not to mention the “poor-AC -is- being- attacked- by -the -liberals -and- the- left- wing- media” victim mantra.
She’ll be back.
January 13th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I agree Stacee, Ann feeds on negativity. The View got what they wanted yesterday and so did Ann.
January 13th, 2009 at 7:57 am
So, let me see if I got this, if you are spewing hate and lies and someone disagrees and tells you you’re wrong, they are attacking you? Wow. Is this the planet Bizarro?
January 13th, 2009 at 8:19 am
What I loved was during Bitsy’s scripted Oval Office public relations drivel, the audience was completely silent! HAHA!
January 13th, 2009 at 9:02 am
168. Bern… LOL! Ann isn’t part of the “reality based” world.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Of all of the guests you could invite on…why someone as despicable, negative and hateful as Ann Coulter? I couldn’t watch someone like her for fear of giving her any credence which she doesn’t deserve. She knows nothing about nothing except how to spin ugly rhetoric like EH that makes no sense other than divisive hate. Single mothers? I was one. Biracial? What the h… does she know about anything? She’s an oracle on motherhood?
I hope she has had her 2 minutes of negative fame and will fade w/ Sarah.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Oh, I just remembered. EH actually defended Ann Coulter’s nasty rhetoric about the 9/11 widows. I think she was the only person on tv to defend her at the time.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Isnt it amazing on today’s show, they arent allowed to talk about “yesterdays show” Whoopi said it is gone, no need to talk about it now.
It was an ugly interview, no information, just hate, hate and more hate. Dont forget the disrespect too.
I knew how it was gonna go before Ann Coulter was on the show….. most people in here did too…. why didnt the hosts know that this interview would go bad? Or, did they actually expect it to go bad, that was why she was invited?
isnt that how u define a staged show?
January 13th, 2009 at 10:19 am
What I dont get is, the host’s knew in advance AC the tranny mess was coming on the show and had the opportunity to read her book. They had questions of disbelief but no statements to difute her. They only acted in disbelief alone. There are alot of arguments to debate AC the tranny mess but what were they afraid of? AC the tranny mess has a knack for twisting facts and circumstances. Her first point on single mothers being praised by the left and thus making them victims went unchallenged. Additionally, she says that it is irresponsible for woman to have a child without a father to raise them. Ok.. so is AC the tranny mess saying that she condones abortion in order to eliminate some future criminal or do we jail them at birth just in case? What is her solution to unplanned pregnancies? I was married for 20 years and all my children were unplanned. I even had my tubes tied and that didnt work either.
They are all blessing but I am sure this would of happened married or not.
I assume she wants to go back to the 50’s and 60’s where you sent unwed mothers in hiding where the grandparents raised the child as their own with no one knowing to eliminate the shame of raising a bastard. Over the past 20 years, we have decided to embrace unwed mothers and remove the shame and embarrassment in order to provide a more healthy environment for the rearing of this child. It takes a village to raise a child. If the left is guilty of that, then sign me up.
I’m just saying..
January 13th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Aileen– I just cackled out loud like a crazed person at my desk when I read tranny mess– funny and on point!! LOVE IT
Also on point about the ‘50 & ’60’s when the shuffle off to the grandparents was the way to “handle those situations”
I hope the end of the radical right is near, I am almost embarrassed for them.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I will take a risk and post an unpopular thought to this discussion and risk, as well that I may sound like I am defending Ann Coulter, which I am/am not. I watched the segments a couple of times to try to understand what went wrong. First of all the hosts were horrendously unprofessional and hysterical (but I do give props to Sherri who spoke to compassion and defended BW who deserved what she got) The pre and post segments were like jr. high school. Second, I think that the problem with the interview, in part, was that AC was presenting her view, which she said was backed up by research (skewed, maybe; emphasizing her world-view, absolutely). The View hosts were unable to challenge “research” nor had they apparently read her book to be informed by the research to facilitate a worthwhile discussion. AC appears to try to make some core observations about the social direction of our country but her style stirs emotions to the point that her message is lost. The hosts did attack (are you married/have children/been biracial? Since she is none of the above, the inference is that she has no right to research or to an opinion…)For the life of me, beyond ratings, I do not know why they book a guest just to disrepect.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:49 am
“For the life of me, beyond ratings, I do not know why they book a guest just to disrepect.”
There is no beyond the ratings, that is why they do it. They know people watch for the drama, it gets lots of media attention and it keeps them in the spotlight and not fading out. They had a plan with this and it worked.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am
LOL
Misslingdow
January 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I think you are absolutely right, what a waste. So cheap and easy. I am not sure the hosts know it though, their responses seem pretty emotional and reactive. I think you’re correct about the Viewmaster.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:57 am
#176, I certainly agree that at least one of the hosts needs to read the book(s) of upcoming guest(s). It could be a different host each time, but someone needs to know what they are discussing. If they can’t get people who are paid to host do it, then get 4 a.m. guy (although, I don’t have much confidence that he would key in on the relevant points, based on his hot topic picks). There are plenty of logical, rational arguments that could have been used to pick apart the ideas in the book.
That being said, Ann Coulter is not in the business of information or education. She wants to sell books and being confrontational and saying outrageous things gets her the attention she and her publisher crave. I think Whoopi was right when she said, “You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.”
I disagree that she was “attacked”, unless you would argue that the guy who plays Chuck on Gossip Girl was “attacked” today for his English accent. Too many people are fixated on one point and they all talk at the same time. Not an attack, just not a good talk show format.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I have seen Ann Coulter on other interviews where she tells the interviewer in so many words that she will be dominating the interview. Right or wrong, I thought that it was refreshing to see someone beat her at her own game. She has a one-sided view and the view basically called her on it.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:06 am
I didn’t quite get Whoopie’s comment, “You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.” Who could actually “take” questions whipped at them by 4 hosts at once. Who knows what would have been explained or what good discussion could have been generated if it had been directed better. Somebody in an earlier post (sorry I don’t recall who) said that it would have been good to has d/c’d the dressingroom nonsense and did a follow up segment. I couldn’t agree more.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:09 am
typo — said that it would have been good to has d/c’d the dressingroom nonsense and did a follow up segment. I couldn’t agree more.
What I TRIED to type was, that it would have been a good call to take out the dressingroom segment and to have continued the AC segment.
Whew!
January 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Viewmaster.
I refuse to call him that. I think it’s such a lame name. I’m surprised Sherri or Whoopi ever use it to refer to him. If I was black, I think I’d be a little more sensitive or rebellious about calling some white guy my master of anything. As a woman in general I wouldn’t either. It’s just one of those things that make me cringe when I hear it or see it in print. That some weasel like him is given that much power in a title.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Right, I have wondered if that is his self-proclaimed title. Creepy.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Well Ann knew what she was walking into before she went on the show and the women on the View also knew what to expect. There’s a difference between someone calling you out on your bull and attacking you. Yes, the conversation could have done without the screeching and crosstalk etc.
Again both sides got what they wanted and both walked away happy. Ann is now viewed as a “victim” and the ladies on the View made the rounds on the nightly news programs. I would have liked a more civil discussion but both sides had a agenda and that wasn’t part of the game.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:23 am
#176 Vickie–
The View hosts were unable to challenge “research” nor had they apparently read her book to be informed by the research to facilitate a worthwhile discussion.
Barbara said that she read the book…. obviously the rest of them didnt.
Ann Coulter was disrespectful to the only one that read the book, obviously because she was the biggest threat. Barbara had Ann’s words to use against her.
Sherri defended Barbara because of the disrespect.
Elisabeth showed her disdain for Ann, by questioning her beliefs about single mothers, but defended Sarah Palin’s daughter for being a single mother. When she was on Hannity’s new show, she defended Ann Coulter, but she didnt while she was on the show… odd.
Whoopi was “offended” by Coulters topics, so there was no way Whoopi could be objective. Coulter wouldnt shut up when Whoopi was talking, like the rest of the hosts do. Whoopi had no control, I dont think she liked it at all.
I think Joy was silenced. I believe that she was told to be calm about her views….. Im sure they would all deny it, but she didnt say much the whole show.
There were basically 3 topics…. none of them were discussed.
– single mothers raising criminals…
– biracial children embracing their “black” heritage
– The Kennedy discussion
All 3 of those would have been an interesting convo, but since it was Ann Coulter, there was no discussion allowed.
If you are gonna challenge your guest… at least inform yourself about the topics.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:45 am
“I think Joy was silenced. I believe that she was told to be calm about her views….. Im sure they would all deny it, but she didnt say much the whole show.”
I agree Joy was surprisingly quiet.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Just to clarify a bit (at least the way I saw the show…) BW deserved the calling out about the way she read the first segment of AC’s book. She did read it with a “tone” when she was with “the girls” but then tried to back away when Ann accused her (a little over the top,no doubt). EH’s defense of Sarah Palin was more to the point that the daughter’s unborn child was the target, not that she was defending her position as a single mother. The reason I bring this up and the reason for my other post is for the sake of fairness. The View hosts were as outrageous and disrespectful as Ann. None came out with anything worth thinking twice about. However, thinking about the issues brought forward ARE worth thinking about.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Vickie,
I see what you’re saying. But the media didn’t go after Palin’s daughter. They reported the pregnancy and that’s it. They also talked about the father and his mother being arrested for drugs. All of it was fair as far as I’m concerned.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
189 Vickie–
However, thinking about the issues brought forward ARE worth thinking about.
Yes they are worth thinking about….. Ann Coulter said that most people in jail are from single parent families…. this might be true…. the ONLY suggestion that she made was to stop having single mothers. Sounds simple, but how does she propose that happen?
She said that single mothers is the cause of criminals…. that is like saying that since the stockmarket crashed, the World Series caused it…. they both happened in October.
Single motherhood doesnt cause criminals, poverty does….. it just happens that single parent families are usually poorer than 2 parent families.
I really agree with kaytee in her #59 post I mean the comment about single mothers raising criminals, I don’t know how Sherri sat there without saying, “so you think my child is going to be a criminal because I am a single mother?”
It was disappointing that Sherri didnt say anything about her being a single mother now like Whoopi did.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
#190 rainlillie–
I see what you’re saying. But the media didn’t go after Palin’s daughter. They reported the pregnancy and that’s it.
Lets not forget… Sarah Palin brought to light that her daughter was pregnant. Was Sarah Palin “attacking” her own daughter?
No… She informed the press about the pregnancy for her own political gain.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Man, I wish I was on the show with Coulter I would have gave her a piece of my mind. Too bad they don’t research because they could have torn her apart with her stupid book.
All she does is judge and label people like she died on the cross and was resurrected. Ann Coulter is one of those people that go to church every Sunday, but will still end up going to hell. When my grandmother use to say that when I was a kid I didn’t really understand it, but boy do I get it now.
I’m a democrat and do think children need both parents in their lives, and you know what, so do the rest of all of my dem. friends and family members. Most poor to middle class women do not want to be single parents. It’s a hard life. Coulter and people like her need to look in the mirror before blaming everyone for not being like them. I’d rather have common sense than to be a self-serving, entitlement craving, hatemongering, bigoted, money worshipping, media ho, like Coulter.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I guess we all see from a different perspective and that’s more than cool. Roger, I THINK (reading between the lines and the interruptions…)the point that AC was attempting to make was less pointing out that single mothers = criminal children. I think the point she was trying to highlight was that through various media she spoke about, fathers have been marginalized and discounted and deemed unnecessary. Single motherhood has been glorified at the expense of children. Through the chaos of the discussion the separation of wealthy women choosing to be mothers alone, divorced/widowed mothers and single mothers who have children due to poor choices, birthcontrol, etc. was lost. I hope her point was that we should opt for something better. Several women on this blog have mentioned that they were single mothers and that their children did not go on to become one of the criminal statistics. Of course not. I am suggesting that the point was that there is a sub-culture that needs to be addressed and supported in a better way before they become the statistic. Come on, you all know who she is talking about.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
“Single motherhood doesnt cause criminals, poverty does…..”
I’d like to add that poverty impacts the conviction rate. No money for private lawyers…go straight to jail. Those with money have a better shot at avoiding a sentence or being tried at all.
AC’s attempt to simplify a complex social issue into “conservative good” “liberal bad” is so Bush years.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
“Come on, you all know who she is talking about.”
I really don’t.
#195. I agree.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
AC’s attempt to simplify a complex social issue into “conservative good” “liberal bad” is so Bush years. Said Lopez… I couldn’t agree more. That is exactly why the show yesterday did more harm than it did any good. There was no time or rational discussion to argue the deep complexity. I have (don’t throw shoes at me…) actually read one of Coulter’s earlier books simply because I like to know all sides of what is being discussed. I read left to right just for the sheer fun of it. Anyone read any of her books? If not, it makes for a tough discussion if you are disputing her work or her reputation based on a few minutes on a panel.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Ann Coulter’s reputation predates her appearance on the View. She makes a living off of her reputation. One obvious common trait Coulter and Elisabeth share is their us against them mentality. They would both rather be against something instead of for something.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I think that Ann got what she deserved. You can’t handle a person like that with “kid gloves”. She was no better than the rest of them. Whoopi is right she can dish it, but she can’t take it.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
#196 Rainlillie I suspect you are being provocative…maybe just a little? If not and you really don’t know, I am not afraid to say it. My guess is that the single mothers’ children whom she statistically identified are the mothers who were never married to the fathers (…not all), have drug related family systems, and more specifically mothers who have three children by two fathers. I see them on the news, I think those are probably the types who have children with few options, few role models, few larger visions in life and become the vulnerable ones. What do you think?
January 13th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Vickie,
My question was an honest question. I really didn’t know. Is this speculation on your part or did she write it in her book?
January 13th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
#193 Danielle–
I’d rather have common sense than to be a self-serving, entitlement craving, hatemongering, bigoted, money worshipping, media ho, like Coulter.
I totally agree with you…. but it sure would be fun to try out the other side for a couple of weeks
January 13th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I hope I’m not interrupting a conversation.
As of right now Bristol Palin is a single mother whose babydaddy is part of a drug related family.
Circumstances have a huge consequence on how children turn out. Instead of blaming single mothers why not go after deadbeat fathers with better child support enforcement.
Ann Coulter should be applauding gay parents since those are two parent homes but I won’t hold my breath waiting for it.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I haven’t read her current book so it isn’t based on that. Yes, this is some of my speculation based on some of what I know and based on some of the diaglog from yesterday’s show. Does any of it make sense?
January 13th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Vickie, I agree with your view. And Roger, for the last time, BW is not republican lol!
January 13th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
#103 Susieq…”As of right now Bristol Palin is a single mother whose babydaddy is part of a drug related family.”
AMEN TO THAT! We’ll see how that turns out. That child may have a number hanging off him someday.
And…”Circumstances have a huge consequence on how children turn out. Instead of blaming single mothers why not go after deadbeat fathers with better child support enforcement.”
Couldn’t agree more. Elisabeth stepped up to that point! It is a hughly complex issue, the View panel had just enough time to set up the hate for Coulter while losing some of the valid message (…that something has to change…)
January 13th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Thanks Sharon. Sometimes I feel like a sitting duck here but I will continue to contribute to the conversation when I can and trust that all views are welcome if it benefits the discussion and expands ways of thinking and is respectful.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
What is the solution to these “mothers who were never married to the fathers (…not all), have drug related family systems” Vickie?
Abstinence-only sex education? That seem to be the only choice the right want to talk about…. no abortions for those who have an unwanted pregnancy…. no birth control education for high school students….. No adoption for anyone other than a man/woman married couple.
Yes it is easy to blame single mothers for the failings of their children…. yes it is easy to blame deadbeat dads….. but what is the solution Vickie?
Just to be clear…. there are single parent fathers… and there are deadbeat mothers…. yes there arent as many, usually because of the courts, their arent as news worthy…. but they do exist.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I read her book Godless, and excerpts of others. Like your comments, my comments here are not based on her current book, rather on her statements on the show.
I don’t pretend to know all the answers. When it comes to complex issues like single motherhood, I have more questions than answers. And forgive me if I don’t look to AC for clarification on the matter.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Believe me Roger from Ohio, if I knew what the solutions were, I’d lay them out! I do know that some of the current solutions are obviously not working. You would be shocked to know how old I am. I have a very long view of the societal changes that have taken place; both good changes and some so soul-sucking and deceptively dressed up as help that it blows my mind.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Roger, don’t you know the right-wing never offers up solutions. They only like to point out a problem. Or if it benefits them, ignore the problem.
Ann Coulter talks about single mothers like they’re going to be the downfall of this country. Why doesn’t she talk about the 2 parent households that can’t afford health insurance? Oh, that’s right she wouldn’t be able to blame the liberals for that.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Vickie, we ARE sitting ducks here but its ok. Every pot has to sit on it’s own bottom.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Vickie, I wasn’t implying you are right-wing. I hope I didn’t offend you.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
No offense taken. Frankly I am sick to death of right wing/left wing. There are two views with a lot of fertile ground in the middle. In my opinion, nobody is entirely right or entirely wrong. All viewpoints have a lot of validity and a lot to offer to the dialog.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
#207 Vickie–
Thanks Sharon. Sometimes I feel like a sitting duck here but I will continue to contribute to the conversation when I can and trust that all views are welcome if it benefits the discussion and expands ways of thinking and is respectful.
I wont speak for others, but in my opinion, any “view” is welcome here…. all that is asked for is giving the same respect that is given to you.
I hope that you and sharon both feel that from the rest of those that have different views than you do.
I dont think that either of you are disrespectful.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
jumping into the middle - so sorry - Just a reminder, Jeffrey Dahmer was raised in a 2-parent family.
it’s all bunk - I know plenty of single mom’s and I too became one after 12 years of marriage….and not one of these kids is even a near criminal! Good, healthy minded, very considerate children, all whom are either in college or working. My 20-something child has been in the workforce for 14 years now and graduated HS and went onto college (though not full-time but for years!).
What AC spews are generalizations and opinions are like A-holes, everybody’s got one….only AC IS ONE, and that is MY opinion. *laughs*
January 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
“Does any of it make sense?”
Yes it does make sense.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I believe ’tis better to raise a child in a happy divorced family than a miserably married one
January 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Thanks Roger from Ohio. I try to learn at every opportunity but at the same time, I do hold some core values and principles that I will defend to the death.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
#218. As a child of divorce that’s so true.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Here’s a link to a Rosie interview. Amongst other things, she talks about AC and why she stopped blogging. http://perezhilton.com/2009-01-13-rosie-odonnell-talks-blogs-booze-and-bitches
January 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
# 114 Vickie,
I appreciated this comment, and couldn’t agree more.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I believe ’tis better to raise a child in a happy divorced family than a miserably married one
This was true for me as well but I often wonder what growing up would have been like if my parents had been able to get their lives together…together. Everyone would have benefitted.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
# 21,
thanks Lopez
January 13th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
#122 Sandy. Thanks and I find your agreement very encouraging. I love the power of ritual and symbolism. Obama taking office may turn out to be the same old same old. But I like to envision his opening the door to the oval office and a rush of wind blows through the room and the old way of thinking is out and the new potential is in.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
#221 Lopez
Here’s a link to a Rosie interview. Amongst other things, she talks about AC and why she stopped blogging.
In the 2nd segment where she talked about her special…. I wonder if she actually watched the TV version? She said that she thought the show was a hit, and so did everyone else in the room…. she didnt find out that it wasnt until she got home and read her blog.
I wonder if she watched it, or if she just said screw it.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I was wondering the same thing.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I don’t think Rosie takes criticism well.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I think it hurts her feelings.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Rosie lost her mother at a young age so I think she is always looking for validation. Remember how badly she reacted to BW not appearing to be on her side about Trump?
January 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
#226 - I think by now she probably has seen it.
#228 - Sometimes I think she can manage criticism in regards to her craft, but not to her personal views. And then other times I think she can’t handle criticism at all. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
#229 - My feelings were hurt for her. I can’t imagine how she felt.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I was hoping the show when have been picked up. It seems a little hasty to cancel it after one show. I was just thinking you know how TLB said Bush is a “good man” after all the things he has done. I wonder if she’ll ever say Rosie is a “good woman?” I doubt she will, it would ruin her game if she did.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Perhaps a major reason the show didn’t get picked up was because ratings were low…no one tuned in. There was no interest in the variety show before it aired. I think that if people tuned in, and the show received bad reviews NBC may have picked it up.
Rosie didn’t deliver the numbers.
January 13th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Thanks TRIXIE #142 - worth repeating
Conservatives (NOT Liberals) have higher rates of teen pregnancies.
trixie Says:
What kills me is that none of the panel (I’m looking at you Joy and Whoopi) said anything about the demographics of teen pregnancy. Red states have a higher incident. Now don’t get me wrong, I think the whole topic is bull. There is not more single parent homes now there is less. When you take into account that in the “old” days it was not tracked and also now we have more shared custody and more incidents of non-custodial parents caring for children - also not tracked.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090107/capt.57d18ca157e2453bb66afdf11a5b870f.teen_births_fix_gfx135.jpg?x=399&y=345&q=85&sig=yDDouDdc5Yt4hYIEdsBYog–
January 13th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
WOW - Aileen says:
“I assume she wants to go back to the 50’s and 60’s where you sent unwed mothers in hiding where the grandparents raised the child as their own with no one knowing to eliminate the shame of raising a bastard. Over the past 20 years, we have decided to embrace unwed mothers and remove the shame and embarrassment in order to provide a more healthy environment for the rearing of this child. It takes a village to raise a child. If the left is guilty of that, then sign me up.”
SIGN ME UP TOO
January 13th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
ITA Roger #191
“Single motherhood doesnt cause criminals, poverty does….. it just happens that single parent families are usually poorer than 2 parent families.”
The Feminization of Poverty:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_of_poverty
January 14th, 2009 at 7:57 am
#214, agreed, Vicky. The debate is usually about the extreme left and extreme right, but most of us are somewhere in the middle, as are the solutions. I think that’s why it’s important to keep talking and debating (NOT FIGHTING). I’m always interested in a healthy exchange of ideas. It’s crucial to changing things for the better.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I think to say that poverty causes criminal behavior is like saying fast food restaurants cause obesity. It is too broad a statement and only superficially true. There are those who face adversity and overcome to lead productive, happy lives and there are those who have every opportunity given them and, for whatever reason, become criminals. I don’t think yet another government program will help.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Poverty is caused by lack of education and lack of opportunity. When we address these issues, we will lessen the poverty in our nation.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:35 am
To a certain extent, poverty does correlate with crime. I do agree that not all people who are born and raised in urban neighborhoods grow up to be criminals, but there is more crime in urban neighborhoods than anywhere else.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:42 am
People will live DOWN to your expectations as easily as they will live UP to them. If you were raised in a poor neighborhood, where it is obvious that you, your education, your health and welfare are not a priority, then you may begin to feel that people and their needs are not important. If you are raised to feel no respect for yourself, it will be difficult to muster respect for someone else.
If we started counting the amount of white collar crime and placing the blame for it on the neighborhood in which the perpetrator lives, we’d find some pretty scary statistics, too. In fact, in my little burb alone, I suspect I’d feel unsafe on the streets.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
People will live DOWN to your expectations as easily as they will live UP to them. If you were raised in a poor neighborhood, where it is obvious that you, your education, your health and welfare are not a priority, then you may begin to feel that people and their needs are not important. If you are raised to feel no respect for yourself, it will be difficult to muster respect for someone else.
So true.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:55 am
If you live or have lived in a poverty stricken area, especially where there is little opportunity to grow, most will understand why one would turn to crime not all, but most. White collar crime is about greediness.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
#238 sharon–
I don’t think yet another government program will help.
Im not sure what government program you are talking about sharon….. this discussion is about Ann Coulter pointing out, incorrectly, a problem…. but she has offered no solutions…. now you bring up “no government help”…. what do u suggest should be done?
January 14th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Good morning Roger. I suppose I branched out a bit but my point is that personal accountability is key. When you have good grounding from parents, church, community, wherever that reinforcement comes from, you can do great things. Money can’t buy that. Vickie said it much better in her previous posts. Ann Coulter is vile and unfortunately that is what sells but the underlying message rings true for me.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:25 am
#245, “When you have good grounding from parents, church, community, wherever that reinforcement comes from, you can do great things.”
EXACTLY! If you are born to parents that grew up being told by society that they are untrustworthy, lazy, uneducatable (all untrue about any group of people, for the record), then you do not have a good grounding, do you?
January 14th, 2009 at 10:26 am
One more thing, if this pulling your stuff up by your bootstraps is SO great for people, why do the rich hand their money down to their heirs when they die? Don’t they want BETTER for them?
January 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
#247, “if this pulling your stuff up by your bootstraps”, which should read:
if this pulling yourself up by your bootstraps stuff
I need a nap!
January 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
EXACTLY! If you are born to parents that grew up being told by society that they are untrustworthy, lazy, uneducatable (all untrue about any group of people, for the record), then you do not have a good grounding, do you?
No you don’t. It all begins at home.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:29 am
#243 kamyrn09–
If you live or have lived in a poverty stricken area, especially where there is little opportunity to grow, most will understand why one would turn to crime not all, but most
It is all about how you define crime. Any “violent” crime should be squashed by the police with no questions asked…. there is absolutely no excuse for any violent crime.
Most nonviolent crime in urban areas are drug crimes. In urban areas, the police are very lax about drugs. Many times drugs are used as an excuse for other reasons. Many times when I lived in Columbus, the police would catch people smoking pot behind the bar. There was a lot of pot thrown away, or stomped into the ground. Only one person that I knew got arrested when caught in the alley. Not for drugs, but because he had an outstanding warrant.
Drugs, in urban areas, are a nonviolent opportunity, not a crime.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Do we have Kelly on call to cite the statistics about crack cocaine sentences compared to powder cocaine sentences? And really, the war on drugs? When (look out here, because I’m about to take a severe turn to the left) most of the drugs that get to this country are here with the help of the military and big business, it’s not a war on drugs. It’s a war on drug addicts…talk about the least of my brothers…try picking on someone your own size, instead of people who are desperately trying to escape an excruciating existence with substances.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
#248 berndoubt–
#247, “if this pulling your stuff up by your bootstraps”, which should read:
if this pulling yourself up by your bootstraps stuff
I see that you took my advice and started drinking early.
you just cant get away from “stuff” can you?
January 14th, 2009 at 10:35 am
#252, “desperately trying to escape an excruciating existence”…do you think I just pulled that out of my butt??????????
January 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
#251 - Yes, you are right. Iran Contra Affair.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Good morning everyone - wow, still at it!! Talk about a Hot Topic. Roger said, “…Drugs, in urban areas, are a nonviolent opportunity, not a crime.” I see that quite differently. I think the “crime” of that is the loss of direction, motivation, etc. I think it is a violent crime of sorts in that it is a crime against the humanity of a person when that is all they have in life.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Oh, and btw, Obama’s campaign platform touched upon reversing the crack/cocaine sentencing discrepency. Hopefully that injustice will be a thing of the past.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
#255, so are people at the country club violently committing crimes against their own humanity when they have cocktail hour? Wait. I know the answer to this one already. The country club set is “relaxing” after a hard day at work as “Masters of the Universe” (tm…Tom Wolfe).
Yeah, life would be great if no one had any pain to escape. So, how do we alleviate the pain of poverty?….because that’s how this conversation started. Start by educating all of our children, not just the ones who were lucky enough to be born to parents with some money. Start by placing value on human life from start to finish, including health care for all. Start by lessening the emphasis placed on money and objects to the detriment of humanity. Now, get that done and we’ll at least be on our way.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
#256, I hadn’t heard that…but I’m glad you told me. It’s just one more change that we need.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
#157
Yeah, life would be great if no one had any pain to escape. So, how do we alleviate the pain of poverty?….because that’s how this conversation started. Start by educating all of our children, not just the ones who were lucky enough to be born to parents with some money. Start by placing value on human life from start to finish, including health care for all. Start by lessening the emphasis placed on money and objects to the detriment of humanity. Now, get that done and we’ll at least be on our way.
Totally agree!
January 14th, 2009 at 10:52 am
#225 Vickie–
I think it is a violent crime of sorts in that it is a crime against the humanity of a person when that is all they have in life.
Im sorry… I guess I should have qualified my drug comment.
I do think that there are very dangerous drugs…. drugs that are man made, or mixed with man made chemicals are bad. Things like marijuana, mushrooms, “natural” drugs are just crazy to be illegal.
This also needs to be said… Alcohol is more dangerous than “natural” drugs. No one has ever died from a marijuana overdose. No other drug can say that.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:03 am
#250
I wasn’t ecusing crime, I was just pointing out the fact when people feel that know one cares about them,they tend to choose not to care about others or themselves therefore choosing criminal behavior, violent or non violent. I don’t agree with it, but the reality is that it happens.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Roger, do you think there is any detriment to pot other than the fact that there are no overdoses? That’s it?
January 14th, 2009 at 11:05 am
and…pot is hardly “natural” anymore.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:07 am
cocaine from coca plant is not harmless. most man made chems are analogs of natural drugs.ie pencillin that is all
January 14th, 2009 at 11:08 am
#262, Can i jump in here? Someone who uses pot can lose motivation and may not accomplish as much as a hard-charging type A personality, absolutely…but I don’t think that potheads go around robbing liquor stores or mugging old ladies for weed money. Again, wouldn’t it be great if no one ever felt the need to escape? But, since that ain’t gonna happen, why criminalize a plant that God himself created? Even Jesus used substances…water into wine and all. It’s not a bad thing, in moderation…just like anything else.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
kamryn09 said, “…I was just pointing out the fact when people feel that know one cares about them,they tend to choose not to care about others or themselves therefore choosing criminal behavior, violent or non violent”
Right, a lot has been documented about this in psychological literature; it’s called Attachment Theory. Very valid and to the point of this discussion.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Prescription drugs hasn’t even been brought into the conversation. At my son’s high school prescription painkillers seem to be the drug of choice.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
#262-263 Vickie–
Roger, do you think there is any detriment to pot other than the fact that there are no overdoses? That’s it?…….and…pot is hardly “natural” anymore.
Yes pot is natural…. there are no chemicals that need to be added to pot to improve it. They do mix plants to make a stronger plant.
Yes Im sure there are detriments to drug use…. but to keep marijuana illegal, and to classify with other “dangerous” drugs is disingenuous.
Marijuana is the least “destructive” of all the recreational drugs. Alcohol is one of the most dangerous, but it is legal.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Thanks Vickie!
January 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
#267, excellent point! And who is making the money from prescription drugs? I’m just sayin’ (thanks, Aileen!)
January 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Yes pot is natural…. there are no chemicals that need to be added to pot to improve it. They do mix plants to make a stronger plant.
…unless you have your own private source, that no chemicals are added to street pot is just wrong many times. There are things that are being added that cause psychotic breaks and paranoia - that’s the common street stuff.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
So, if it was legalized and regulated, it would be just as God intended.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I might be a conspiracy theorist but sometimes I wonder if the drugs our dr’s prescribe for us don’t lead to a need for more drugs. I heard somewhere the drug for restless leg syndrome was made before we had ever heard of rls.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
#273, that would not surprise me. Why else would they advertise drugs and tell you to ask your doctor about them? Why else would they make you wait for your appointment so a sickly-dressed drug company rep can get in to see the doctor and give more notepads and pens with their drugs’ names on them? Advertising works and they know it. The more the doctors see the drug name, the more likely they are to prescribe it. If name recognition and advertising didn’t work, would so many companies spend so much money on it? Hmmmm….
January 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Bern, the right doesn’t like marijuana because he makes people calm and peace loving. Maybe we should spike some brownies at the next GOP convention.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
So, if it was legalized and regulated, it would be just as God intended.
…GREAT! More government! Berndoubt…be careful making a reference to God…LOL
Just curious, you seem especially down on white collar professionals…some bad experiences? I know an awful lot of really good, solid CEOs.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am
perscription drugs have side effect because the dont just work where they are need they go all over the boyd yes they sometime cause more problem then solution but it is not intentional. often drugs hace uses that are surprising rls drugs also work for other things. yes drugs reps are wrong
January 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
#271 Vickie–
There are things that are being added that cause psychotic breaks and paranoia - that’s the common street stuff.
I dont know where you are getting your pot Vickie…. but marijuana being “spiked” with PCP or any other “psychotic” drug is rare and not common. It is a myth.
for years I was surrounded by marijuana, no one that I knew… no one that they knew or talked about had anything like that happen to them.
There were people that died because of alcohol, there were those that had chemical overdoses…. but not from pot.
Marijuana is frowned upon, not because it is dangerous, but because it is illegal.
The reason it is illegal is because of the cotton industry back during the depression. Hemp was being used for the same things that cotton was….. The cotton lobby went to congress and had them make marijuana a Class A drug…… it has since been downgraded.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
#276 - It’s not more government. The government is already involved the legalizing and regulating marijuana.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
#273 susieq–
I wonder if the drugs our dr’s prescribe for us don’t lead to a need for more drugs. I heard somewhere the drug for restless leg syndrome was made before we had ever heard of rls.
You are totally right about that. They make a drug… then advertise it and ask you if you have this problem…. imagine that…. you do.
My dad went in for a knee replacement surgery. He was taken to a nursing home to recoup. When he went in he was taking 9 pills…. when he got out he was up to 16 pills…. he would tell them about a problem…. they would give him a pill.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Roger - Don’t forget the Senate hearings when it was said that “Mexicans are crazy, and marijuana is the reason.” Something like that.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
#276, “Just curious, you seem especially down on white collar professionals…some bad experiences?”
Other than the current global economic crisis?
To not be snarky, for years people on the right have touted the free market system and promised that busines would regulate itself and thought that government is bad and regulation is worse. I have disagreed. I won’t break my arm patting myself on the back, but I will say that it looks like I was right (only I was left…LOL)!
Government and business are neither all good nor all bad. Everything needs to be looked at in the context of the greater good (does that sound communist?? more communist than “the homeland”, but I digress) Before we decide if it’s doing what it is supposed to do, we have to weigh the good and bad and all institutions have both good and bad.
Business is responsible for many innovations and so is government. Business can benefit many people and so can government. No one minds government when they are protected by firemen and policemen. No one minds government when their snow gets plowed and their garbage is picked up.
I look to the motivation of the institution. When I look at business motivation and see that it’s about the bottom line, money above humanity, it worries me. It especially worries me when our health care is about dollars and cents and not about wellness and good care.
I’m not some wacko with a tinfoil hat who thinks that someone is out to get me. I’m pretty moderate, really. I don’t see black and white in most things, just gray. In fact, gray is my favorite color next to purple. Life is gray…it’s messy and difficult, just like the people who live it, but if you’re lucky you find lots of sunshine when you’re looking for it. I find sunshine in trying to help people…it’s a gift.
This is a great conversation we’re all having. This is how problems get solved.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
#282, it sounds like I already got to the brownies with all the sunshine and love, huh?
January 14th, 2009 at 11:54 am
#276, I’d like to hear what you think of business and government.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
#281, “Roger - Don’t forget the Senate hearings when it was said that “Mexicans are crazy, and marijuana is the reason.” Something like that.”
And did that offend you, LOPEZ??????????
I never heard that, but I believe it. Wow. People say some ugly, horrible things, huh?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
#283 berndoubt–
#282, it sounds like I already got to the brownies with all the sunshine and love, huh?
That is my point exactly…. Marijuana is good for the soul.
I know a lot of good people that start drinking become a total ass….. that doesnt happen with pot….
Who knows….. making pot legal and removing alcohol might improve our country….. imagine that!!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
If my memory serves, marijuana was responsible for some pretty good conversations I had back in the day. Alcohol on the other hand, was responsible for some pretty incoherent conversations I had.
The conversations I’m having on this blog are pretty good, substance free.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
#281 Lopez–
Roger - Don’t forget the Senate hearings when it was said that “Mexicans are crazy, and marijuana is the reason.” Something like that.
OMG!! What context was a comment like that justified?
I hope they ran that republican out of office (yes Im being “offensive” assuming that it was a republican)
January 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Two beers and I get my Irish up (which I can say, because about 95% of me is from the Old Sod) and I’m ready to kick somebody’s ass…I don’t need a reason…I’ve never done it…but….I’ve…..wanted…..to.
Never felt combative after smoking weed….had a ton of great conversations…mostly don’t remember them…but I’m sure they were great. I did rob a liquor store once though…just kidding!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Bern, that’s the problem with weed. You’ll be talking, just having a great convo, then lose your train of thought. I remember one time….now where was I? Just kidding.
Honestly, nowadays I couldn’t handle anything impairing my thinking. Life already does that on a regular basis.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
“OMG!! What context was a comment like that justified?
I hope they ran that republican out of office (yes Im being “offensive” assuming that it was a republican)”
The Senator was from TX back in the 1920s. Chances are he was an R.
Another interesting fact: when the Federal Bureau of Narcotics was established the head said that marijuana makes white women want to sleep with black men.
And then, of course, the fact that when “darkie” smokes weed he feels he’s as good as a white man.
The horror!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Well, Lopez, if that were true then I guess Barbara Walters must have been lighting up quite often back in the 70’s.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
#292…LOL
January 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
#270 berndoubt–
#267, excellent point! And who is making the money from prescription drugs?
Im actually pretty angry about this…. I dont know what to do about it…. I dont know where to turn…. I dont know how to get past it.
Since I was 7 yrs old, I have been diagnosed with epilepsy. I grew up not allowing to do things that normal people could do, because if I had a seizure doing them I could “die”
I have been refused a drivers license…. I have been turned down for jobs because of it…. I didnt get promotions because of it…. transportation issues…. thousands of dollars a year doled out for meds…. on and on and on the different problems because of my seizures.
A couple of years ago, because of the expense and hassles, I said screw it…. no more drugs… if it causes more problems then I’ll rethink it…. but I just got tired of dealing with it..
Lo and Behold…… I havent had another seizure….. been over 3 years now….. and it just pisses me off….. Why you ask? Not once over the last 40 years, no one has suggested that it could be possible that my seizures were not because of epilepsy, but could be a “withdraw symptom” from the drugs that I have been taking.
I dont know how to continue forward….. Am I now seizure free? Has there been another reason on why I havent had seizures? I dont know what is true….. Should someone be sued for taking away my “freedom” for the last 40 years, and burdening me with this problem? I just dont know….
Im just angry…. I feel like I have been addicted to these drugs without my knowledge…. all in the name of “control”
I have since researched the meds that I have been proscribed, all of them causes seizures as a withdraw symptom…. I was never told that by any medical dr. I was always told that if I dont take my meds Id have an epeliptic seizure.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
sorry about the rant….. just one of my “passionate” issues.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Wow, interesting conversation. I just wanted to add that marijuana is pretty much legal here in SF- I guess most of CA, if you have a medical card. Anyone can get one; most people get it prescribed for stress-ha, which everyone has. Then, you can go to a real store and buy any kind you want. They sell food and tea too. A lot of the customers tend to be the A-type personality types like lawyers and stockbrokers. IMO, I think it should be legal everywhere
January 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Roger, posted just above (after post #s turn to 3 digits, I can’t see the number). I’m at work and have only a second to repond..
Roger, I appreciate your “rant”. I am sorry for your troubles. I am not a big conspiracy theory person but the whole phamaceutical industy freaks me out. I read one theory that this is all planned out (I won’t go into the gory details…) but it made so much sense. They just can’t load us up enough with meds and each one has side effects that require a counter medication, and on and on. The theorist actually said that it is a deliberate assault to dumb down the folks to make us more compliant…dun-dun-DUN …to make the “take-over” easier. Okay, now I sound like I’ve eaten something spiced…But seriously, Roger, you may be seizure free.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Vickie, what you said is pretty much what I believe. Scary tho it may be I think it’s true. One of the worst things that has happened in the past 20 years is advertising pharmaceuticals. Why do I have to ask my dr. about a medicine? Shouldn’t he be telling me?
And let’s not even talk about food. Funny how GERD and acid reflux and any number of other gastro conditions are so prevalent now. Makes you wonder what came first. The disease or the treatment.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
susieq, I completely agree about the advertising. Do you ever listen closely at the end of the commercial when they rapidly list all of the possible side-effects? Yikes!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Vickie, my husband has some chronic medical conditions and he has a lot of medications. I do the research and find out for myself the side effects. His dr. has never once mentioned any side effects of any of his medication.
Last year he woke up one morning with his bottom lip so swollen it almost covered his top lip. We went to the dr. and he said oh it’s a side effect to your blood pressure meds. The same meds he had been taking for 2 yrs. I have learned if you don’t ask the questions you will never get the answers. Nobody ever volunteers any info.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
susieq - I have heard those kinds of stories so often. Lucky for your husband that you have his back!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Vickie, I have really enjoyed talking with you. Now would it really be that difficult for the ladies of the View to have this type of discussion? I think we know the answer to that.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Right back at you, susieq! Ha - the ladies of the View? - apparently so.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
ROGER - OMG
I WOULD BE FURIOUS - I would go for blood.
I am so sorry you spent nearly 40 years suffering and missing-out because of someone’s greed, if that indeed is why this happened to you. I would need therapy to get past the rage.
I feel for you - I really do. Thank you for sharing that. I’m mad for you.
Furious.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Roger - OMG as well. I just jumped over to this thread tonight and read your post. Stay well, sir. On a postive note, it sounds like you are turning a corner…
January 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
# 294 Roger,
I too Roger am sorry to read about this tragic situation.
I understand the frustration that you feel.
Your story makes me think of a long time friend. He too has always taken med. for epileptic seizures, and his life was pretty much as you described yours. It is so much to deal with, and come to terms with.
Anyway when he would stop taking his med. for any ..short amount of time…he would have a seizure. Therefore began the drugs again. you have made me wonder, if it was the med. withdrawl that caused his seizures.
Sadly for him, I will never know. He passed aways a few years ago. Nothing to do with this, he died from smoke inhalation, in a fire.
Anyway Roger, I sincerely wish you all the best.
May your life continue on a positvie road.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Just back from some hospital stuff for my sister. Those of you who pray, would you please do so. She has lymphoma, which was just diagnosed last week. Today she had some complications from the chemo port that was placed on Monday. The oncologist has very high hopes for a “cure” (she used the word to my sister) after eight chemo treatments. So, it will be a long six months or so, but I feel like she’ll be fine.
Roger, I don’t blame you for the pharmaceutical anger (that is a real condition, you know, and they’ve got a pill to cure it, just don’t read the possible side effects)!
In spite of cancer and epilepsy and any other awful anything, it’s a beautiful night in America!
January 15th, 2009 at 4:24 am
berndoubt, sorry to read about your sister’s situation. I have a sister who went through her own physical and medical nightmare so I have some sense of what you are going through. The journey gets long and dark at times so I will keep her and you in my thoughts and heart. It was a strange experience to have almost lost my sister. I never was so aware of how connected we were. I recognized that she is the one person, beyond all others, who knows me in a wordless way. She is the keeper of my history, she is the one who knows without having to explain, almost like a soul twin and I am hers. It was very surprising to grasp how profound that all was. She recovered and yours will too. Best to all of your family.
January 15th, 2009 at 6:18 am
#308, Thank you Vickie! You really summed it up there and very beautifully. Yup, my sister and I have been through more together than I can even believe! And, oh yeah, about the wordlessness…just a look between us conveys volumes!
As distrustful as I may be of the pharmaceutical industry, this may make me a hypocrite but, I’m more than a little thankful for pain medication and chemo and whatever else they need to use.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Thank you for all of your well wishes….. but Ill be honest, they dont really help….. I dont mean to sound disrespectful, but all of this is internal. I know I sound childish, but all my life I have been told that I cant do this and that….. If I dont listen I could die, I could hurt someone else.
Everyone in my life was always “looking out for me” but no one thought to actually help me. I never knew that I needed help, I trusted what the doctors said to me, I trusted what my parents were told…. but who was looking out for me?
Kelly made a great comment I WOULD BE FURIOUS - I would go for blood.
But what can I do, who is responsible? Is all of this on me because I trusted those that were supposed to have knowledge?
I know Im being petty…. there are people out there with real problems…. Your sister berndoubt…. I do hope all will be well with her…. all my problem is that I was told something that might not have been true…. it doesnt effect anyone else, and no one is responsible for it…. this is what angers me so much….. I actually feel pretty helpless about it…. and it rolls over to everything else in my life.
Your well wishes do make me feel good…. but I dont want to feel good about this… Im pissed.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I disagree that you are being petty, Roger. I’d be completely pissed if I found out I could have lived differently! Venting is healthy. It doesn’t keep you from working on the problem, in fact, it helps define the problem.
Isn’t this crazy life complicated? All at once you’re sad and worried but glad you have the strength to be sad and worried.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Ok,
I think you are all high…..
I’m just saying..
January 15th, 2009 at 11:54 am
D u d e , t h o s e w e r e a w e s o m e b r o w n i e s .
January 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Bern, you’re not supposed to eat the whole batch.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
berndoubt, please know your sister is in my thoughts. Best wishes to you all.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Berndoubt,
I do pray, and will gladly pray for your sister, and you. Because I know how I would be feeling if it were my sister.
Can you tell me her name?
My very best sincere wishes to her.
Roger,
I understand your anger. I honestly do.
I hope that you won’t take this the wrong way, I mean it in the sincerest way.
To move forward, you have to get past the anger. How you do that, I don’t know, but I am sure of that. You have my best weishes as well.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Aileen,
January 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Thank you Sandy…. I know you are right…. Anger is such a destructive thing. I have some ideas on what I should do, but the problem as always is getting started.
I didnt take it the wrong way…… thank you for stating the obvious.
Also, Thank you to all of the rest of you sending me best wishes…. I may not show it correctly, but I do appreciate it more than you know.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Thanks, my sister’s name is Regina!
January 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Oh Bern,
Sending you , your sis and family good vibes and warm wishes. She’s lucky to have you.
January 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Bern and Sus, you guys crack me up.
January 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Aileen, thank you. I must say some of the posts you have made have made me chuckle.
January 15th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Laughter is the best medicine, I always say!
January 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I did include bern’s sister in my prayers last night (before I read the updates to this thread with Regina’s name). It was kinda funny: “Dear Lord, please bless berndoubts’ sister.” LOL. You’ll have to tell her – laughter is the best medicine.
Roger – we are all responsible for our own healthcare. Sad but true we can’t trust blindly anymore. I tried to offer advice to my cousin who was frantic when she found out her 2-year-old had food allergies including peanut allergies. She was a mess –and I tried to offer advice counter to what she had been given by her doctor since I had been through it with my child: same allergies, only much worse.
She wanted the baby to abstain from all nuts all his life. She has made crazy demands on all of us to clean out our cupboards, cook without any nuts (or eggs – even though he’s not allergic to eggs) or anything that might have come near a nut, even if the baby isn’t going to eat the dish.
She wails on and on and on about it and how he might die while building this bubble around her son. I think she’s wrong. But it doesn’t always help to intervene.
We slowly introduced nuts to our son’s diet after he turned 2. He has ZERO food allergies now, despite having scratched himself bloody from his allergies when he was a baby.
My cousin did visit my allergist but is choosing to do it her way, which could prove deadly to her son in the long run. By slowing introducing the allergen under doctor supervision, the child can build immunities. Peanut immunology.
Roger, you should look online to see if there is a class action lawsuit against the pharmaceutical industry for epileptic drugs. Maybe start there.
Our foods are filled with dangerous chemicals that are 99% unregulated. Deregulation – what a great idea. And babies are paying for it in every way.