The View October 2nd Recap: Greg Kinnear, Kim Kardashian, and Mark Ballas
Today on the October 2nd episode of The View, it was the four main co-hosts and no Barbara Walters. The first topic was Joy Behar’s continued annoyance with people peeing on the bathroom seat at the studio. Sherri Shepherd thinks someone is trying to get at her and is doing it on purpose. Joy made some signs to hang up like “Don’t Pee Where You Sit,” “I Won’t Take This Sitting Down” and “Aim or Die.” The other hosts are scared to use the bathroom because they are afraid Joy will think it is them. Whoopi wants to carry something around to pee in. Elisabeth said that she has an “on-the-go-potty” for Grace and has considered using it herself.
Tonight is the Vice Presidential Debate. They discussed what question they would want to ask the candidates. Sherri would ask Joe Biden, “How do you plan on lowering taxes” with having to fund the war and the bailout. Sherri would ask Sarah Palin how she will help children with special needs, especially those families without insurance. Elisabeth wants to ask them both about their perspective on the war, given their own children’s involvement in the war. Joy would want to ask Biden how she can trust him when he did not use due diligence in voting for the Iraq war. She would ask Palin about how rape victims in Wasilla had to pay for their own rape kits because it contained a morning after pill and they wanted to discourage use of morning after pill. Whoopi said that the fight over that issue did not involve Palin and she did not vote for it. Whoopi does not think she will hear what she needs to hear from them and they don’t have the answers. She wants to know from Biden what his plan as VP will be. Elisabeth wants to know if it bothers Biden that he is on the bottom of the ticket when he has more experience than Obama. Sherri wants to hear them talk about themselves and not talk about McCain and Obama.
Should Biden handled the debate differently because his opponent is a woman? Elisabeth said it should not be handled any differently because she is a woman. Sherri said that media is handling it differently and is quick to say that things are sexist. Sherri said that people are underestimating Palin. Joy said not to underestimate her and she is not so dumb, having seen a tape of the Alaska governor race debate. Whoopi said that she does not like Palin’s sarcasm. Elisabeth said that Obama does that too. Whoopi said that they are not talking about Obama, they are talking about her personal response to Palin. She wonders if Palin will say something odd to “Imadinnerjacket.” Elisabeth said that she isn’t concerned about being nice to him. Whoopi said that she should be because you when you are VP or President you have to be diplomatic.
Sherri worries that Biden runs the risk of people saying he is being sexist. She hopes he can just debate her freely. Joy said that he should just answer the questions and not interact with her. Elisabeth said that both candidates should just talk at length because they are “both talkers.” Joy pointed out that in her interview with Katie Couric, Palin had no response to the question about naming other Supreme Court cases other than Roe v. Wade. Elisabeth agreed with Joy and said Palin should have had something ready. They played the clip of Palin saying she reads “any and all” newspaper and magazines, without naming any. Joy said, “You can’t even come up with “The Moose News”? Sherri said when you have so much stuff going on in your head, it is hard to name a magazine. Elisabeth said that Couric was trying to get her to endorse something and she chose not to, saying it was a smart move. Elisabeth wants to know why they have been “uber-focused” on Palin and they are losing focus on the important issues like Obama’s associations. Joy said that they are all women and they were focused on Hillary Clinton too. Whoopi said it has only been 30 days since she was named and we are running out of time to learn about her.
The original Mr. Clean died at age 92.
Joy gets the munchies because of anxiety from the election. Elisabeth is also an emotional eater and has been eating more. Sherri was eating chips during the last debate because she was stressed. Whoopi said, “I am not that deep.” There is some concern about Gwen Ifill moderating tonight because she is writing a book entitled, The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama Obama. Joy said that she should get out as moderator. Whoopi said that the book is about politics in the time of Obama and may not be about him or favorable of him. Elisabeth said they should put the name of the book under her name or replace her. Sherri said that they did not just pull her off the street and she is a journalist and can be impartial. Joy said that they should not give Palin any excuse to point to if Palin does not do well. Elisabeth said it is hard to find anyone out there now without a bias. Whoopi joked that there are people out there like that, “us.”
Greg Kinnear appeared to promote his new film Flash of Genius about Robert Kearns, the inventor of the intermittent wiper blade who was offered a fortune, but told his name would not be associated with the invention. He spent fifteen years suing to get recognition for the idea, which was stolen by Ford Motor Company. Kinnear said that the script sat on his desk for two months because it was originally named, “Windshield Wiper Man.” Kearns had a breakdown as a result of the weight of the case. Kinnear met the family of Kearns, but Kearns died before Kinnear came on the project. There is Oscar buzz for the film.
Asked about tonight’s debate, Kinnear said that the debates have been a long time coming and feels we should be on debate number seven by now.
Kim Kardashian and Mark Ballas, the latest couple voted off ABC’s Dancing with the Stars ,also appeared on the show and danced the rumba. Kim said it was emotional when she lost because she never played sports before and wanted to stay because she was having so much fun. Kim said that her step-dad Bruce Jenner would be great on the show and they should have called it “Dancing with the Kardashians.” Mark’s dad is partnered with Cloris Leachman this season.
Sherri asked Kim if having the “best booty in Hollywood” hurt her. She said that she worked on her facial acting after the judges commented on that and then they commented on her lack of booty movement. Kim thinks that her fan base does not watch the show. Sherri said she would love to be on the show and asked her what kind of commitment it is. Kim said it was a full-time job.
Greg Kinnear, Flash of Genius, Kim Kardashian, Mark Ballas, Dancing with the Stars, The View, Sherri Shepherd, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Barbara Walters, Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, Sarah Palin, Gwen Ifill, debate, Joe Biden, intermittent wipers, Robert Kearns, Cloris Leachman
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
real quick
i was proud of Egofr actually defending palin and not just pasignth buck on to obama though she tried very very hard to do. so she get 1/2 point but she gave a bs answer about palin not wanting to ‘endorse” a paper.
1. if she want to not name a paper she should say so. say kaiite i read many papers i dont have a favorite so am not ( dont feel confortable)nameing names but i read what you read.
2. naming a paper is not the same as endorsing. ican rtell you i have watched bill orielly but i dont endorse him.
3..yes Eh she could say she read the new york times if she indeed reads it. whats wrong with reconizing your critics and adress an issue if you can. if she does that is fine but why hide it if she does.
so for that bs answer minus 1/2 point.Eh had a good day with net 0 points .
on the suubject of ifill. i do think if by some wild fluk palin looks bad they will blame her. interestingly on of the people wrting about this contraversey noted that ifill were not a black woman this would not be an issue. he sited the case of another jouralist to make this possible point but i have forgotten the details. let just hope all goes well
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 am
Today’s show seemed a little tame. I do agree with Joy on the toilet seat issue. I hate it when the person ahead of you thinks that the “hover” to go pee is the way to go, They have done studies that say public restrooms are just a clean if not cleaner that yours at home.
EH reminded me of a cheshire cat. I think you will soon see her on another show. I can almost bet she will be “View” bashing all the way, unless thay have a clause in the contracts about that.
Sherry seems like she is even starting to have enough of EH and her politics.
Whoopi often seems bored and wishes she was on a cable entertainment show.
I wonder if BW and BG gave a tongue lashing to the gals/girls yesterday.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:24 am
This Ifill thing is really ticking me off.
Where was all the outrage from the Democrats about Lehrer moderating last week? The man has written an emotional book about a POW before. Did that make him biased? Was the debate last week therefore unfair and slanted in McCains favor???
Not a word about it? Why you ask? Because the man is a professional with a proven history, as is Ifill.
Couldn’t Joy or anyone be bothered to read from her Bio? Do a little comparison research between other moderators?
All the Republicans want is an easy out, someone to blame if Palin screws up. Then they can say “oh it was because of the way the question was worded by the biased Ifill and Palin got flustered and confused. Of course she knew the answer! She was just confused by the way the question was worded. Ifill was purposefully trying to trick her.”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 am
Today Elisabeth got on my one last nerve. No matter what she was asked, her biased answers all seemed to begin with Obama. THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION, DUMMY!!!!! The question was what would you ask Palin/Biden. I would stop watching The View, but am afraid if I did, I would miss seeing some poor soul, riled beyond reason by EH’s whiney voice, bound up on the stage and slap the s*** out of Bitsy. As for Gwen Ifill - her credibility and credentials are above reproach. Shame on the Republicans!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
No matter how you look at Palin is wrong on the rape kit issue. If she knew the victims were being charged and did nothing, that’s bad and if she didn’t know they were being charged that’s bad.
Here’s more on the story:
“ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed sexual assault victims and their insurance companies for the cost of rape kits and forensic examinations.
Palin had been in office for four years when the practice of charging rape victims got the attention of state lawmakers in 2000, who passed a bill to stop the practice.
Former Democratic Rep. Eric Croft, who sponsored that bill, said he was disappointed that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop didn’t work. Croft said he doubts she was unaware of the practice.
Maria Comella, a McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, said Palin “does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test.” To suggest otherwise, she said, is a “misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice.”
As governor, Palin has worked in a variety of ways to tackle the problem of sexual assault and rape, including making domestic violence a priority of her administration, Comella said. Alaska routinely has the nation’s highest rate of sexual assault.
Lawmakers became involved in 2000 when reports began coming in that police departments were charging sexual assault victims for the kits and the forensic exams, which cost from $300 to $1,200 at the time. The kit, a package of sample containers, swabs and other medical supplies, is used to collect evidence from women after they are attacked.
Then-Gov. Tony Knowles said Thursday that Wasilla was unique in the state in charging rape victims for the cost of doing the law enforcement necessary for solving the crime.
The bill passed the Legislature over the objections of Wasilla police chief Charlie Fannon, who said it would require the city to come up with more money to cover the costs of buying the rape kits and doing the exams. ”
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfTm-bOoREGlDJnQXYG9I2CDN-wQD934TN907
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 am
It was obvious to me that the ladies were trying very hard to be subdued today, letting each other talk one at a time, speaking calmly, asking Sherri to tell us what was on her empty mind, and I actually thought they were all doing great at making it look like everything was respectable and then Elisabeth couldn’t wait to start up again with her intense defending of Palin.
What a ridiculous thing to say, that if Palin named a publication it would be an edorsement. Last I heard, an endorsement is when you name something and say how much you like it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
Gwen Ifill was agreed upon by both parties. She was not hand picked by the Democrats. Biden may open his mouth and insert foot occassionally but he intelligent, experienced, caring and classy. Palin is attractive, has to be bright to get where she is, but she is simply out of her league.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
A question I’d have for Palin is how can she show such cruelty to wildlife. She doesn’t seem to be a very compassionate person. When speaking of her gay friend, she said “that’s not a “choice” I would have made.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
EH – She should have had a few Supreme Court Decisions in her pocket.
EH – She just didn’t want to endorse any particular newspaper!
EH – This panel has had an Uber focus on Palin!!
EH – You wanna talk about newspapers….Obama and Ayers!!! (?)
Pattern?
(Obama successfully defended his non-relationship to Ayers and had McCain’s misleading/lying ads removed from the airwaves in the swing states where they were broadcast. Obama is not a Muslim).
EH, like McCain, has resorted to FEAR mongering in a desperate attempt to bribe American votes. Yesterday I received a TERRIORIST DVD called ‘Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West’ from McCain supporter Clarion Fund. On the cover is pictured a tall dark menacing terrorist wrapped in a turban with blackened eyes coming for you. This DVD followed a post card I received from the same McCain supporters showing the world map with pushpins in locations of terrorist attacks – with the exception of the USA – thanks to McCain?????? Any idea how many terrorist attacks on foreign soil were at American Embassies? How many of these attacks were the direct result of the U.S. occupation of Iraq? Then this happened:
Pro-McCain group distributes DVD in swing states to incite fear. Result: Muslim children Gassed at Dayton Ohio Mosque
http://thebruceblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/pro-mccain-group-distributes-dvd-in-swing-states-to-incite-fear-result-muslim-children-gassed-at-dayton-ohio-mosque/
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:40 am
I agree with mibi (#1): there was a way that Palin could have answered the question without “endorsing” a publication or without naming them directly. Instead she stumbled around the question and just looked uninformed. I cannot beleive that EH even tried to defend the answer. She should have just said that there was a better way. I must say I was suprised that EH did not “defend” SP on the supreme court decisions. I thought for sure she would pull out something in defense. I agree that the girls seemed that they had been given a lashing and were on their best behavior…boring…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 am
Rain, I personally would love to know how someone so religious and into the whole thou shall not kill thing can then blow a hole in a wolf from the air as she flies over. Or how a morning after pill is so horrible (even if you were raped or your Dad molested you), but allowing hunters to kill tame bears from a former sanctuary is just oh so lovely.
But in asking that, I’d start a whole religion doesn’t belong in politics crap discussion that wouldn’t get me anywhere.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 am
I’ve heard a plausible theory (or two) as to why Palin didn’t answer the question about her reading material.
1. she doesn’t read
but I htink more likely is:
2. the things that immediately came to her mind were probably in the ball park of
-John Birch Society material (I’m not kidding. There’s a picture of her - as Mayor I think - and if you look at the desk in the background, there is a JBS-type article spread open on the desk,
-or AIP materials (a group that wants Alaska to succeed from the union; her husband was a member, she gave a welcoming video speech at it and has many friends in the group)
- or politically conservative “Christian” stuff
all of which she is better off NOT saying. Sometimes it’s hard to remember other stuff when you are working really hard NOT to say certain things.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Is there a special trick to posting links?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
RECAP: Elisabeth wants to know why they have been “uber-focused” on Palin and they are losing focus on the important issues like Obama’s associations.
RESPOSNE: Because she won’t talk to us and tell us anything. When you only do 3 interviews, people are anxious to know. Biden has done several dozen.
And then there are Palin’s associations with:
AIP
JBS?
firing people for personal reasons and hiring her high school buddies (cross check her yearbook with the employee list of people she has hired.)
Ted Stevens
Road to Nowhere to help people get to the Bridge to Nowhere that wasn’t built
Why is EH afraid to have us look at SP? Why is she deflecting attention.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
kelli and ranillie you hurt my heart everyday when you reveal things about mccain and palin. My mosque has never been gased thank god but has been vandilized with grafitie and other things.and the people there are good people and citizen, who work hard and are living there lives and there not hateful people.so for the mccain camp to put a dvd out like that and ot cause am sure equally good poeple to be hurt is a shame. and for palin to tout her creds only to find out they are not what they seem is beyond scary. thanks for the info
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
ShannonP,
Biden gave a good answer on religion and politics. Palin and McCain should watch, listen and learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc3_mATe3uY
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
mibi,
You’re welcome, but I don’t want to give you the wrong info. I think people who support the McCain camp put the dvd out, not the McCain camp.
Shannon, just copy from the address bar and paste it in the message box.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:00 am
What kills me about the whole Palin thing is no one asks the basic question of why was she chosen. She is not the most qualified Republican woman, if McCain’s goal was a female running mate. I think she was chosen because she’s an unknown and instead of focusing on issues and problems in this country we focus on the cute newbie, Palin. This is how Republicans run campaigns they distract from real issues that affect our country. Anyone who votes for them should be ashamed because they have been tricked. If you really think about it whether or not someone’s gay and your personal feelings on abortion do not make this country better. Thoes are moral issues. Dealing with things like the school system, health care and social security would, but what do Republicans focus on? The issues or distractions to win suckers who don’t inform themselves before they vote.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 am
I stand corrected on mccain camp . in that case I would hope mccain camp would say something about this to supporters. even if an email or letter.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
mibi, do you remember THIS 1964 political ad? It was considered the most unethical political ad of its time:
Daisy Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg
Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) won the presidential election with this ad – he then went on to increase the number of troops in Vietnam from 16,000 to 500,000.
Because of this ad…
-Americans voted out of fear
-Americans voted for LBJ
-58,000 soldiers would never return from Vietnam
This ad was only broadcast ONCE. Fear sells.
And Vietnam soldiers came home in shame, despite the supreme military power of the U.S. Families were forever broken. Divorce rates soared; suicides and homicides resulted. Veterans were left homeless.
Thanks TO THAT AD…..and the fear it sold to Americans. The Mushroom Cloud – Fallout Shelters, Bomb Threats and School Drills. Remember?
And now, the McCain ad…Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West. I’m holding the DVD in my hands and wondering if America will remember.
McCain will increase our military presence in Iraq if elected, which is why he harps on ‘surge success.’ McCain will turn Iraq into Vietnam.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
First of all Joy needs to stop bringing up the wet toilet seat…use a different stall or find another BR.
Regarding the debate…aren’t they both asked
the same questions? They were in the Pres.
debate. How does that show favoritism?
And I think the press has hyped this whole thing up, as usual,..it gets everybody crazy with all THEIR opinions. And I never watch or listen to the pundits. All they do is “guess” at what the outcome will be. Any
intellegent person can do that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
Ghandi said we can know a lot about a person by how they treat animals. In Psychology, cruelty to animals is a red flag for someone who may have violent tendencies. It’s one thing to hunt, which I personally abhor but can understand on some level if you grew up in a hunting family and culture, but Palin’s tactics of running wolves until they collapse from exhaustion and then shooting them point blank from above is sick.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
I would also hope and expect the McCain camp to denounce the DVD and the group who put it out.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 am
Meredith,
I agree. She also paid bounties for the front leg of the wolves. I haven’t figured out what that was about.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 am
Okay – here’s something REALLY notFUNNY!!
Homer Simpson tries to vote for Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 am
# 19. Let’s send Joy some disposable seat covers.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:38 am
I swear if EH brings up Obama’s “associations” one more time, I’m going to jump through my TV and smack her silly! Just answer the question!
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
kelly i was not born for another 20 years so I don’t remeber it in its context but i have seen that ad before and it just goes to show fear is a great motivator. unforutatly sometime fear is not of an eneamy as much as of the unknown and unexplored. lets pray we have better luck than homer.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 am
Just watched KK dance and now I know why she got booted off the show. She had no oomph or natural rhythm; the guy had to carry the entire dance.
And why can’t the View arrange the set so there is no dangerous chair for the guests?!?? I’m tired of hearing about the dangerous chair.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
mibi…
You are so insightful for someone so young. Wow, wish I was 24 again!
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I would love to hear EH defend the fact that McCain voted for the bailout bill and yet it had over $150 Billion in “pork” not including the tax credit part. Considering McCain pulls the ‘ol black Sharpie out of his pocket everytime the issue of pork spending comes up - why didn’t he choose to vote against the bailout and “make them famous”?
As for Ifill, she’ll get blamed for sure. Part of me wishes she’d back out just so she won’t be the GOP scapegoat as to why Sarah did a bad job (if she does). I wish that they had mentioned that Colin Powell is also in the book!
ShannonP raised a good point about the hunting. I’m a Christian and cannot in anyway condone plain butchery of animals. I saw a comedian last week jokingly say, “Mike Vick wonders why he is locked up.” Although I think what Mike did was heinous - what Sarah does and allows (even rewards) is just as heinous. No one seems to see the double standard. And, don’t get me started on the pics of her holding a gun. Imagine seeing a picture of Barack Obama holding a gun and smiling, let alone killing an animal!!!! It would be over for him.
Sarah Palin is case and point as to why religion does not belong in politics. Although we both may call ourselves Christian (Sarah and I) - we have VERY different views on many things - political and religious. I just hope that everyone here doesn’t clump us in the same category.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Erika, you’d think it wouldn’t be that difficult wouldn’t you? (arranging the set so guests aren’t worried about falling in the dangerous chair).
Their goal should be to make the guest as comfortable as possible. So what they are sitting in should be somewhere they can lean back, stretch, whatever they need to do. It’s really silly that they can’t fix that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
EH does this typically to take attention away from Sarah Palin. How is naming a newspaper you may read endorsing it? Her mantra has been anything associated with Obama or those who support him. The chick is so clueless, just like her mentor/BFF/idol. The only requirement Palin need as far as Ditzy is concerned is for her to be Republican. That’s it.
Repugs count on fear and distraction to get the vote. I don’t think Palin is dumb at all; however, I do feel she is not qualified for the position of VP. She is just out of her league….and perhaps she would be a force to deal with in another 4 or 8 years.
I just don’t see why EH feels that all in the Rep party are perfect and answers to the wworld problems. What about Palin’s suspect plife….JBS, AIP, Troopergate, etc?
EH=Eternal Hypocrite
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
#31 Valerie- Very well said. As a Christian I agree with you. It literally hurts me when I see how christianity is lowered to political hogwash. I personally believe that we are having so many problems in this country right now, because God is not happy with us. We can’t drag God into our dirt and think we’re going to come out clean, and I’ll give you an example, when Dobson who is some religious right wing fanatic asked his followers to pray to God for rain in Denver during Sen. Obama’s speech, look what happened…the republicans had to basically cancel their first day of their convention due to a high concern of another Katrina like hurricane. Now think about that. The first thing I thought to myself is these people need to stop dragging God into their dirt, because he will show you out. YOU DON’T PRAY FOR BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE! God is a forgiving God, but he will let you reap what you sow. It’s that simple. Our country is reaping what our so-called Christian leaders have sowed. That’s the bottom line. Don’t drag God into your dirt- you won’t come out clean, you’ll come out even more dirty than before. Look at America’s situation right now and think about it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I think it’s very funny – but very true (therefore, notFUNNY).
Apparently ednaegan, you are unfamiliar with Diebold? Do you think it’s funny to have Democracy fail in America?
Google: Diebold Voting Rigged Ohio Florida Alaska
Posted by: Byaclueplease (Huffington Post)
This isn’t funny because it is 100% true, proven and if you spent just 15 minutes reading up on what the MSM has only given a millisecond to in coverage, your blood would boil. Instead of worrying about not enough people not exercising their right to vote, you’ll more concerned that the vote doesn’t even matter.
We have demonstrated that anyone, with 5 minutes of instruction and just a few seconds of time, can adulterate the votes on these voting machines, undetected, with no paper trail or record. The flaws are so rampant and egregious, the only conclusion as a software developer myself is, they were intentionally there.
Even after the flaws have been revealed, they still refuse to fix them, and still refuse to release the source code to the software so everyone knows exactly how the systems are working.
Do you realize open source software is the most secure software on the planet, because everyone can analyze the pitfalls? Do you know that the majority of the countries most sensitive computer systems, from NASA to the FBI to the NSA all use a great deal of open source software?
Why not our election systems… unless of course you purposely want to leave backdoors in it? BlackBoxVoting.org
Watch the video of a monkey, yes, literally a monkey, able to be trained to rig the machines. That’s how simple it is.
Diebold is evil… we need voting reform laws in a major way people.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
after reading the above blogs i must say that eh is the most closed minded person i have ever heard. she should run for office. she has all the qualifications the republicans use as a platform. lies stupidity avoiding answers and not caring about the american people. Are you sure your not one of those ceo’s that bilked americans out of millions. as far as palin is concerned i can see why you love her so much. there’s an old saying BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER. it is just a shame that the two of you have broken wings.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Let me start by saying I am not a Republican, Democrat, Feminist or Racist. What I am is a thinker.
I do think that Governor Palin should have been better prepared for the interviews she gave. That was a mistake. I also think that she is a strong, smart women and not just a “pretty face”. Which is somehow being held against her.?
I think the women on the view had every right to ask the questions that they asked McCain, but I also think compared to the Obama interview they were a little harsh. Whoopi’s statement on whether she should be afraid of becoming a slave was over the top.
I think we should look at the facts and not listen to the rhetoric coming from both campaigns or from bias informants.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I don’t think Palin should have been “better prepared”. I think if you don’t know what you are talking about, cramming facts in will only get you so far.
If you know your stuff, the answers come naturally. Because the knowledge is there in your head and you are just answering a question. What Palin demonstrates is that she has a very narrow base of knowledge in areas that we should expect and demand our leaders to have knowledge in.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Every politian prepares for a interview, prepares for a debate. Their every word is rehearsed and prepared.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I don’t want the “average Joe six pack” for VP.
I’m looking for a lot more. I don’t know how anyone could find that quality appealing in these troubled times.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Is it me or is the green light on for talking about politics and religion now where BW and BG has squashed the subject due to high tension for the hosts and the “We love each other” being threatened? We all thought Rosie was relevant and it was not fashionable to speak out then. Now it is? Is it because that means ratings now? I also notice that EH is less high strung with her defending her party. I was wondering when she was going to grow up and listen to all the critics of her childish behavior. I dont think most of us dislike her for her politics because we all know peeps that dont share our views, but her behavior and her mannerisms are usually so childish, I feel a need to lecture her on maturing and maintaining a point in a dignified manner. I think she is starting to finally get it.
I dont think any subject should be hands off on hot topics because its peeps like us who want to hear it discussed. I feel like Joy is finally let loose to discuss the topics she wants. Even BW appearances are not hampering the topics… I think Rosie made this show now relevant….
I’m just saying…..
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Every politian prepares for a interview, prepares for a debate. Their every word is rehearsed and prepared.
True enough, there’s a difference between “preparing” and being taught.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Rebecca - I completely understand your point. But I think that the issue isn’t what she has prepared for it is what she should already know given the position she is applying for. I too believe that she is a smart and strong woman - but I don’t think that she has enough of those qualities for the position of vice-president, let alone president. I consider myself a strong and smart woman - I am sure that I am not qualified to run for either office
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Danielle I like your post..lot of truth to it IMO. Today EH was her old shout,yell,frown,do the time out crap thing with the hands like she’s a referee on her husband’s football team before he was not re signed up(axed) and act like a spoiled dingbat meathead bio-tch. She and McCain have to keep bringing up Rev Wright and Ayers because THEY’VE GOT NOTHING ELSE!
I just went to a luncheon here in NW Florida where all the folks but me and 1 other woman were repugs! They went on and on about how tonite the moderator will screw Palin because “she wrote a book about O’Bama”,etc. One guy said he sent McCain $35 and McCain wrote back asking for $35 more. I managed to keep my trap shut for the most part but wanted to brag that I sent money to O’Bama. Go Biden!
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I’m sure she is being educated on some things but I’m not convinced that her not being a sauve politian is a bad thing. I don’t think she’s the bumbling “carabou barbie” people are trying to make her out to be.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Don’t sell yourself short Valerie.:)
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I think that the McCain/Palin campaign is doing their best to set the debate bar REALLY low, so that as long as she does a mediocre job people will call it a success.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
JW, I have heard nothing but good things about Governor Palin from the McCain camp. What comments are you referring to?
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
#47. I agree. We don’t need a female GWB.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
“she is a smart and strong woman”
She hasn’t shown me anything to make me think that’s true. Hilary on the other hand has.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Not any comments, really, just their limitation of her exposure to a couple of interviews were she looked really bad. They know what is out there of her now in terms of exposure and have done little to change that image. Then when she can answer a couple of questions coherently at the debate, people will sing her praises. At least I think that is their plan.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“What Palin demonstrates is that she has a very narrow base of knowledge in areas that we should expect and demand our leaders to have knowledge in.”
ITA!
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I would also like to point out that President Bush went to Yale and I would bet most of you think he isn’t qualified to be president. Anymore…
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
She’s running for VP and couldn’t name a Supreme Court case. My teenage son named three, when I asked him last night.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I would think that you would have to be both smart and strong to be the first female Governor in Alaska. Lets just agree to disagree. I am more interested in the issues.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I agree Hilary is a strong and smart women, she would have to be to accomplish the things she has.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
The question was what other Supreme Court decision she disagrees with other than Roe vs Wade.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“I would think that you would have to be both smart and strong to be the first female Governor in Alaska.”
I would think so too, that may or may not be the case with Palin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
LOL Bush got into Yale and the Air National Guard the way every good ole white rich boy does….Daddy.
He was a terrible student, terrible pilot, and America’s worst president.
During his two terms he has had nearly the highest and the lowest domestic Gallup poll approval ratings of American Presidents, ranging from around 90% immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks, to 27% in September 2008.
The only reason he rated at 90% is because HE LIED to the American people and led us to believe we were going to Iraq to find the 9/11 terrorist.
What a horrible family, the Bushes.
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I agree with you, Kelly - the last line - and know that the Bushes, the Rockefellers, and the Rothschilds are the 3 richest families in America…….
nauseating, eh?
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Does anyone know what answer Sen. Biden gave when ask why he supported the decision in Roe vs Wade?
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
lmao - Rain, that is a testament to your son, hey – maybe he is an elitist! My husband mentioned several cases also. . . he’s Canadian!
Look, the point is - when you run for a political office you need to know a little about . . . well, politics. Period.
Sherri actually had a good question. How will you (Gov. Palin) be an advocate for special needs children. Especially since their health care plan is not nearly as inclusive as Barack’s.
My son (age 3) has reactive airways. From the time he was born he has been in the Emerg. 4x’s unable to breathe (911 – once, admitted 2x). I can only imagine the medical cost this would have cost me if I lived in the US and didn’t have insurance or limited insurance. These are the issues you are referring to, Rebecca. I agree, they should be discussed.
Pres. Val
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Why didn’t she name the Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker? After all that took place in her state.
She said this after the ruling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-26MOxH34
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Hopefully, Gov. Palin will tell us tonight exactly how she plans on being an advocate for special needs children. She stated that is a priority for her if she would become VP.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Good point Rainlillie, maybe she was better prepared.:)
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I’d also like to point out the Bush was a C student.
Katie Couric: Why do you think Roe v. Wade was a good decision?
Joe Biden: Because it’s as close to a consensus that can exist in a society as heterogeneous as ours. What does it say? It says in the first three months that decision should be left to the woman. And the second three months, where Roe v. Wade says, well then the state, the government has a role, along with the women’s health, they have a right to have some impact on that. And the third three months they say the weight of the government’s input is on the fetus being carried.
And so that’s sort of reflected as close as anybody is ever going to get in this heterogeneous, this multicultural society of religious people as to some sort of, not consensus, but as close it gets.
I think the liberty clause of the 14th Amendment … offers a right to privacy. Now that’s one of the big debates that I have with my conservative scholar friends, that they say, you know, unless a right is enumerated - unless it’s actually, unless [it] uses the word “privacy” in the Constitution - then no such “constitutional right” exists. Well, I think people have an inherent right.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Watching the video about the Exxon case sort of confirms something I was thinking. It is not that she not have opinions on things (like Sup Ct cases she disagrees with or newspapers she likes), but she doesn’t know what her answers are supposed to be; what she is supposed to say she likes, if you will. She is too afraid of saying the wrong thing that she says nothing at all. That looks worse to me, though.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“Because it’s as close to a consensus that can exist in a society as heterogeneous as ours” What??
If Roe represented a consensus, it would not have been such a landmark case, and it would not have caused one of the biggest rifts in American politics in the intervening years
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
JW,
In some cases your assessment is right on. In others, she’s not educated enough on the issues to give an informed opinion.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
JW I think your right, I do think she has been put off by the media and is second guessing herself. She should just be herself and be truthful.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 pm
“close consensus” is the quote. He is correct. One side believes abortion shoudldn’t exist at all (small percentage), another believes only in case of incest, rape, and so on, another believes only before three months, another believes in no limitations.
So Roe vs. Wade dismisses the extremes and settles in the middle.
The closest to consensus one will get on this issue.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
OMG EH makes me mad I wrote and email to the view
last time i did that I was mad about Rosie
but common why should we not be focused on Palin ?
The more i get to know about her the more I am a terriefied
I said i did not want the Jessica Simpson of Politics that close to the button
If EH dont like it she can stay home with her kids her husband makes enough money
really
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
thanks kelly for the compliment
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Thanks Danielle for your comment!! You are so right!
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Have you guys seen Palin Bingo (palinbingo.com)? I know the debates and issues are serious, but I also know it is the only thing that will keep my blood pressure down while watching.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Well, you’re welcome miss mibi, and thank you MiamiVision!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The palinbingo is a brilliant way to deal with nervous energy while watching what I know will be some cringe worthy answers from Mrs. Palin tonight. http://www.palinbingo.com
October 2nd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Lopez, toss Shapiro v. Thompson at your scholar pals. Although not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, people have the fundamental right to travel to other states[invalidating a one year state residency requirement before allowing welfare benefits].
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
here are my thoughts on a few things:
as an animal lover i have always believed someone who doesn’t value an animals life probably doesn’t value human life that much either.
if sarah palin didn’t name any magazines or papers she reads its probably because she’s afraid “joe six pack america” will think she is an elitist
if sherri is hoping palin will increase the budget for special needs childrens education she will be disappointed…repubs always try to cut the education budget
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Rebecca #37
First… comparing McCain interview after he was the nominee with the Obama interview durring the primary isnt a good match up….. compare it with McCain’s interview during the primary……they were very similar.
I just hope Obama stops by the view 1 more time so u can see them ask him the tough questions then too.
The reason Whoopi asked about being a slave is because McCain said he wanted a judge that interpreted the constitution as it was written When the constitution was written, there were slaves… and I believe that a black man was counted 3/5 of a white man.
So does McCain want a judge to interpret that the way it was written? I dont think so…. so that wasnt over the top.
u have to understand the context of the question before u judge it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Marthe, I’m off to Google. Sounds interesting.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Whatever answer Biden gave was better than the evasive and confused answer Palin did.
Biden came off as knowledgeble, thoughtful, confident and intelligent. Palin did not.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Roger from Ohio #79
I too would love to see Obama on The View now I’m sure the ladies would be unbias.
I understand the context of the question but I still think it was over the top. Thanks for the education
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Susieq- Are you saying just because someone hunts for their own food that they do not value human life?
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Well said, Stacee!
The next time Obama’s associations are mentioned. Can someone PLEASE mention Palin’s hubby’s former political party. You know the AIP, they wanted to secede from America.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
If EH was an Obama supporter no one would be saying anything ugly about her. Everyone is entitled to believe in what they choose, just because she doesn’t agree with your views does not make her wrong. Cut her some slack, believe what you want and let her believe what she wants. I hope she stays on the view and Joy goes. That is what I would like to happen and that doesn’t make me wrong either.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Rebecca, she’s for aerial wolf hunting too. Do you think she’s going to eat wolf?
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
“if sarah palin didn’t name any magazines or papers she reads its probably because she’s afraid “joe six pack america” will think she is an elitist”
I think it’s b/c she doesn’t read any.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
“I would think that you would have to be both smart and strong to be the first female Governor in Alaska.”
“I would think so too, that may or may not be the case with Palin.” -Rain, lol
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:51 pm
And let’s not forget the reward for cutting off the left foreleg of the wolf, $150. This was her way of trying to control the animal population issue of wolves.
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Poor Kim, she really can’t dance at all and I think I just expected because she’s young and trendy that it would come natural to her.
I enjoyed seeing Greg Kinnear and his movie sounds like it will be very good. He’s really a good actor. I enjoy him.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I thought Biden did very well in the debate. I don’t know what everybody was so worried about.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
There is the need to hunt some animals to control the population growth, now I don’t claim to be an expert on wolves in Alaska. I would be interested in reading about this cutting off the foreleg of a wolf, where can I find where she supports this.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Rebecca,
Here is a link that may be informative:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/450
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
There is a need for human population control too, but let’s see how well $150 a baby leg would go over.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Here Rebecca…
http://grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 pm
This summer, Alaska wildlife personnel reportedly staked out a known wolf denning site — a practice that is illegal under Alaska law — and gunned down 14 adult wolves from the air. When they landed, they found 14 infant wolves in nearby dens — and methodically shot each one in the head. As a supposed pro-ethics reform politician, it’s time for Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to seek a thorough investigation into the killing of these wolves, and to bring any state employees who acted illegally to justice. Please click on the link above and sign the petition to demand justice for Alaska’s dead wolf pups: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/tell-a-friend/1854230
October 3rd, 2008 at 4:46 am
rebecca, there is a difference between hunting for food and enjoying the thrill of chasing down something and killing it…perhaps sarah palin has a recipe for wolf stew she would like to share…i’m sure there is a more humane way of controlling the animal population than shooting them from a helicopter
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:15 am
ShannonP, your right, when you put it like that. I’m gonna assume that your against abortion too? It’s around $250 for a whole baby.
Your “Facts about Sarah Palin” website was very informative. I am unwavering in my stance against trapping animals. That being said the killing of the wolves is not the real issue. In doing more research, because I’m all about all of the facts, the state Biologist called for the killing of the “overwhelming” wolf population that are killing a prime source of food, moose and carabou, for the Alaskan people. Now maybe someone needs to come up with a wolf stew so this would be more justified for all of us.
I am not a hunter, I strongly believe that if you kill an animal it should be for a food source not for sport. I also understand the need for animal control. And if the Alaskan people believe that the wolf population is a problem for them then that is their choice for their state.
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:28 am
#100 - Rebecca “because I’m all about all of the facts” - From your very first post (#38) you seem to conveniently pick & choose the facts. (the skewed interview comparison) And, you made a very big point in that post to introduce yourself as non-partisan — “What I am is a thinker.” — Yet, your posts don’t seem neutral. Hmmmm.
Further, “if the Alaskan people believe that the wolf population is a problem for them then that is their choice for their state.” I’m going to assume that you are Pro-Choice as am I.
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
“ShannonP, your right, when you put it like that. I’m gonna assume that your against abortion too? It’s around $250 for a whole baby”
If a baby is crawling around in it’s pen and an adult comes by and kills it and takes its leg, I’m against that.
You can’t argue about whether the wolf is alive or not when it’s running around in the snow and people fly over and shoot it.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm
You all don’t remember Rebecca from Invasion of the Trolls on McCain Friday 9/12? She was their Swarm Leader.
http://www.watchingtheview.com/the-view-september-12th-recap-john-mccain-and-cindy-mccain/#comments
Rebecca #40: “Liberals believe that ordianary (sp) people CANNOT do extraordinary things. That is the basis of their beliefs, that is why they want a socialist government that does everything for them.”
Rebecca #104: “I don’t agree with the Bush administration totally, but they have kept us safe the last 7 years. McCain, I feel, can keep me safe!”
Rebecca #114: “The media is hellbent on discrediting Palin, but have just pushed under the rug the fact that Obama spent 20 years in a church that preaches heavy anti-American propaganda, and the fact that Obama is in very close relationship with a terrorist bomber who has planted bombs in our country on many occasions.”
Rebecca #117: “Under the Clinton administration our military was drastically decreased and terrorists were able to get into our country and mobilize the greatest attack we have ever had.”
Rebecca #122: “Wow Kelly! Are you trying to be a poet?”
Rebecca #141: “Kelly, I’m not spreading hate, I was just asking if you were doing poetry because of all the weird fragmented sentences and calling people trolls.”
Remember sweet Rebecca now?
Rebecca is most certainly not Democrat or Feminist.
But Rebecca, you ARE either Right-wing or Racist.
Pick your poison.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
ShannonP “If a baby is crawling around in it’s pen and an adult comes by and kills it and takes its leg, I’m against that.”
For the record, I’m against that too…lol
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Ahhh, thanks for the reminder, Kelly.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
ShannonP
It was implied that Gov. Palin does not value human life because she supports the killing of wolves in Alaska. Susieq #80.
You can’t argue whether the animal is alive, true but you can argue the value of that life.
And sure we can say that the right for the people to choose to govern their state the way they feel fit is on the same plain as a womens choice to govern her own body. ? And Beverly, Just because I don’t hate Gov. Palin doesn’t mean I don’t disagree with some of her views. I clearly stated that I am against trapping of animals and they should only be hunted for food, not sport.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I’m not sure what “Rebecca” you are quoting Kelly but it is not this one.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Honest mistake to think that there couldn’t possibly be two Rebecca’s.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I figured you would say that – only Winnie knows for sure.
But, I also believe Michael is Tony, that seems to be true.
And Roger from Ohio seems like a Michael convert to me. I like Roger better.
You and Evil Rebecca sure sound a lot alike, same writing style, same IQ. We’ll see.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
As far as I can tell, there are two Rebeccas.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Thanks Winnie…
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Two is about all I can handle.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I just went to the page Kelly was so kind to provide, thanks
First, let me make myself clear. I strongly support Roe vs Wade. I believe that every women has the right to choose when it comes to her own body. I believe those choice should be responsible ones, that there should be limitations on abortion.
I came to this site to have intellectual dicsussion in regards to the issues. Not to be a hater of Gov. Palin.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
And Kelly, I would love to have an intelligent conversation if your up to that, I will warn you though I may not share all of your views.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Let’s rumble!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
You can pick the topic.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Okay – Just the Facts Rebecca – what do you make of Senator McCain’s most recent declaration that he often called on Palin for Foreign Policy advice, even though all of America knows he just phoned her up a few months ago, and only first met her in February?
Does it bother you how much dishonesty has been pushed onto the public by the McCain/Palin campaign or that Rove is in the picture?
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I can’t comment on the McCain calling on Palin for Foreign Policy advice, missed that one. But of course that would be ridiculous.
And it does bother me that there is so much dishonesty be pushed out into the public by both campaigns. You would agree that it isn’t just the McCain/Palin campaign, right?
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Do you think that the media has been bias in their coverage of both canidates?
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I think I have seen Obama get it wrong twice, and Biden last night, twice.
But it’s apples to oranges. The volume of manipulation put out by McCain is mind-boggling, and often unchecked. Occasionally the media calls him on it, and suddenly it’s Gotcha Journalism, Liberal Bias in the Media, Main Street Media (as used by Palin last night) or Drive-by Media. Always someone to blame when the Republicans come off bad. Why is no one taking responsibility for the last 8 years?
Why are we so intent to repeat the mistakes of the past?
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I think the media let George Bush off the hook and they are determined to do a better job this time around.
What we’re seeing is better journalism. They can’t all be liberal. For too long the conservatives have enjoyed their lawless rule, no watchdog on duty.
Thank God times have changed, too bad it took Iraq to embolden the press.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm
When did Obama get it wrong? On what issues? Regardless of what side you are on there is no doult what side the mainstream media is on. I thought we were sticking with the facts. And you didn’t answer my question regarding the dishonesty on both sides.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
They both get it wrong when they discuss the other man’s voting record, or the other man’s earmarks and campaign affiliates. But, I do not think Obama is dishonest. I think he got it wrong. McCain and Palin lie – outright – without interruption, even when confronted with the truth:
Fighting special interest while accepting private flights to/from DC
Selling Jet on eBay
Bridge to Nowhere
Censoring books
Big Oil contributions to her campaign
Busting up the good ole boys network
Keating Five
Son’s deployment to Iraq
McCain’s declaration that Iraq was safe
McCain’s ads against Obama
Earmarks enjoyed by Maverick Palin
McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time
Palin’s troopergate investigation
Palin’s husband and his emails
Palin’s per diem checks
Palin’s Polar Bears
Climate Change contradictions
Palin’s husband and the AIP
McCain’s wife: stealing, forgery and narcotics
I think all media is biased, it’s man made. But I think the majority of the reputable media is playing by the rules and offering balance in their reporting. Gibson and Couric did their jobs. Obama simply isn’t offering up the Cornucopia of Inconsistencies that McCain has.
When you see conservative Republicans speak out against McCain and Palin, you are witnessing the final blow to the GOP. It is torn in half and it started when Rush wouldn’t back McCain. Rush bit the hand that fed him…he’s lucky he signed his contract before it all fell apart.
As far as the glossies, and Obama’s celebrity status – he’s got IT. McCain doesn’t. But rest assured, Palin wasn’t picked for her brains; she was picked for her ideology, gender, beauty and likeability. The minute she was announced, she was scheduled to sit for all the magazine covers that McCain so loudly protested.
But the media won’t determine this election – it didn’t for Gore or Kerry who was running against an unpopular president.
Obama is an honest man – who occasionally got it wrong.
McCain is a liar.
And YOU’RE Just the Facts Rebecca.
I’m more of a Composite Kinda Gal. Doggone it.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm
109 Kelly –
And Roger from Ohio seems like a Michael convert to me. I like Roger better.
*blush*
Im not sure who Michael is, but he didnt convert me….I found this site a long time ago, kinda made a mental note and forgot about it. I missed the View one day and came here to see what I missed and kinda stayed.
you sure do know how to make a point Kelly dang it.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Sorry Kelly I must have dozed off while reading that long list of “issues” you have with the McCain/Palin ticket. You and I have a difference in opinion about what issues are important. I too could make a long list of topics that really don’t mean anything. But here is a list of things that do.
Instead of caring about whether or not Gov. Palin sold a jet on eBay or not. (and by the way, “ I put it on eBay” was what she said. –Not a lie.
1. I want to know if she and McCain would try to overturn Roe vs. Wade? McCain has said he believes the decision should lie within the state, how will that effect women in America. Example of real issue.
2. You mentioned the ties with the AIP. So I would assume that you are as equally concerned about Obama’s ties with William Ayers.- a known terrorist to America. I know I am. Wasn’t on your list? How deep do those ties run and that’s not the kind of “education reform” I want. I don’t like the connection with William Ayers and we should know more and find out why Obama has denied this relationship. Surely you agree this is an issue.
3. But more importantly I want to know what either one would do about the monsters that are raping and killing our children. Don’t hear a lot about those kinds of issues. And this should be on the top of the ticket!
So take the blindfold off. Don’t be an ignorant ,petty women that watches the view.
And before you insult someone’s IQ just because they don’t believe exactly as you do, you might want to brush up on the important issues of the world so you can back up your own obvious intellect.
Have a great day Kelly and enjoy your view.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:42 am
lol that’s a brilliant idea…try to be clever and insult someone saying you fell asleep reading their post and then go on to write a long arse one yourself.
Here’s your mullet.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:56 am
ShannonP-
Maybe you didn’t read the previous post when she insulted me and surely it’s fair game when you throw the first stone.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:06 am
I came on this blog to share my views and hear others not to be called a racist and have my IQ questioned. So you will have to excuse me if I’m not polite to Kelly.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Rebecca, ShannonP is right; you posted how long issued Kelly’s post was, saying you “dozed off” and then proceeded to do the same. Talk about throwing stones…
October 4th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Just-The-Facts-Rebecca:
I wasn’t insinuating you had a low IQ. I think Evil Rebecca is very intelligent – I just wish she would use her power for good.
Somehow, I ended up with time on my hands these past 9 months – and I’ve used it to get my hands on as much information as possible concerning these economic, war-torn, divided times we live in.
I watch The View because I see in EH, what has driven this nation apart.
And soon, this election will be over, my interest in The View will fade, my work schedule will resume, and this will have only been a bad dream.
However, when a candidate for the POTUS lies repeatedly, manipulates the American people, attempts to block an ethics investigation and hides behind the shield of patriotism and his POW status…I will not make him President, with unlimited power, without a single recourse to control his would-be dictatorship.
You can take off your gloves with me, because I plan on calling it like I see it Rebecca. How do you explain the last eight years of Republican rule? You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, and McCain is not the solution.
1) Of course he will overturn RvW; McCain’s crazy circular answer on THE VIEW (the only outlet to cover this), is concrete indication he will appoint those who would work to change this decision. Obama would not.
2) Shadow Governor Todd enjoyed a 7-year membership with an organization who’s propose was to secede Alaska from these United States for Big Oil and self-govern power. Todd only stepped down when he stepped up to run his wife’s political career and to avoid the obvious conflict of interest. Living in Ohio, I have become very familiar with Ayers, Obama and McCain. I witnessed not only the Terrorist DVD, Post Cards, but also the Ayers ads put out by McCain. Ayers held a fundraising effort for Obama early on in Obama’s political career. Ohio is a state that is prone to rig elections. The news stations, judicial systems, and power circles are predominately Republican here. Despite that, Obama was able to remove those ads from the air because he successfully dismissed McCain’s claims. That could not have happened unless Obama was telling the truth. Do you really think someone who would want to bomb the US could have participated for 7 years on the State Senate and another 3 years on the US Senate without a Republican taking notice? If it were true, it would be headlines. Not all media is liberal, FOX can’t even make anything more of this story than they have.
3) Obama attempted to put forth legislation that would protect children from sexual predators. Your candidate, McCain, attempted to paint him as a child pornographer. So much for this issue and your beloved McCain. Party First.
Ignorant? Not hardly. My twin brother was shot at in Iraq, and still, while under fire, saved the lives of his fellow soldiers. I make it a point to be informed, because he’ll be heading back. We belong in Afghanistan. We belong on the trail of Osama bin Laden. We don’t belong in the middle of Iraq’s civil war.
After 8 years of Bush deception- I’m not turning a blind eye to ONE MORE LIE.
Rebecca, you need to take off those rose colored glasses and consider what you really believe, what you’re being told to believe, and where your beliefs have gotten all of us so far.
McCain said, and I quote, “”You know what I enjoyed the most, she took the luxury jet bought by her predecessor and sold it on eBay.”
Liars become dictators.
I think you’re very intelligent.
But you’re either Right-wing or Racist.
Pick your poison.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Stacee-
My comments were not against how long Kelly’s post was, her and I were suppose to be talking about the facts and she made a list of opinions that she thought McCain/Palin were dishonest about, which could all be agrued. She obviously hates McCain/Palin which is fine but to say that Obama hasn’t lied… is ridiculous.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Rebecca,
You said;
“Sorry Kelly I must have dozed off while reading that long list of “issues””
I said
“you posted how long issued Kelly’s post was, saying you “dozed off” and then proceeded to do the same.”
You said her post was long on issues and that you “dozed off”. You then proceeded to do what you sarcastically chided her for.
She posted factual issues and then gave her opinion on why that mattered to her. You did the same.
I don’t see her hating McCain and Palin.
Do you hate Obama?
October 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Well now we are getting somewhere.
You were insulting my IQ, as you were the “evil Rebecca” you said we were one in the same and I don’t agree with the other Rebecca’s post at all.
The issues that I listed were example of issues that”I think” people should be up in arms about not whether a jet was actually sold on ebay. And as woment we should let go of the petty stuff and get into the hardcore issues that we are facing today.
I have much respect for what you said in your last post. I can’t even disagree with some of it. For example: Todd Palin membership with the AIP this is concerning and I will do more research on this but Obama didn’t just go to a party, he also sat on a board that funded Ayers radical education reform views. A known terrorist! I don’t really want any of his views to be funded. That says something. And if you have information that proves that not to be true please give it to me. I want to make an inform decission in Nov.
I think that anybody that votes blindly for party is making a mistake. Elizabeth’s unwavering devotion to the republican party discredits her intelligence. And I do think she is a well spoken intelligent women. Because of that devotion she can be blind to the facts.
I am sorry about your brother. My husband is in the military so we live with this on a daily basis. We should be on bin Laden trail but I don’t think we can just leave Iraq regardless of it’s stability. So I understand the timeline concerns. I do think we are working on holding them accountable.
I have both liberal and conservative views. Which means I am not “right-wing” So that leaves “racist” tell me Kelly name one thing that I have said that would imply such nonsense. And that my dear is insulting.
It might be hard for you to understand that one might not need a label. And labels are the reasons why we can’t get anything done in the country.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Stacee-
If you go back and read you will see I wasn’t insulting her long post I was insulting the issues that she listed. Some not all were what I consider not important to fight about.
I do not hate Obama or Biden. I do not hate McCain or Palin. What I hate is supporting or not supporting someone blindly and I think I have made that clear. Kelly and I were not talking about real issues before but we are now and I love that!!
October 4th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Rebecca:
You don’t think dishonesty is a hardcore issue? I don’t think the numerous lies McCain/Palin have told are petty. Lies are the root of the problems in DC. Take any one of the lies and separate it from the whole and sure, it looks insignificant. But like I said, I’m a composite kinda gal. I’m looking at the whole picture.
I wasn’t insulting your IQ, I was insulting your EQ, your politics. I judged Evil Rebecca’s IQ by her writing sample, not it’s content. So much can be gleaned through one’s writings.
Mr. Ayers is listed as a member of the nine-member board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a prominent lawyer and telephone company executive. According to the fund’s Web site, it has focused in recent years on “issues that affected the area’s least advantaged, including welfare reform, affordable housing” and “tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty.”
I have heard nothing of Obama funding any Ayer’s initiative. Please send link.
And this from the Washington Post Fact Checker:
The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
My brother is fine – Bronze Star Medal recipient.
I have noticed throughout this election that Democrats who refuse to vote for a black man have crossed party lines for that reason only. The excuses are many to none, but the reason is race. You either vote Right because you believe in Republican ideology, or you vote Left, because you believe in Democratic ideology, or you cross party lines to avoid voting black.
These two candidates are polar opposites.
Obama
Middle-class
Economy built on the middle-class
Healthcare reform
Alternative Fuels
McCain
Upper-class
Taxes cuts for the rich
Healthcare rebate
Big Oil
I hate labels – but this election could be decided by racists. And if you’re an Independent, the sleaze campaign that McCain has orchestrated should have swayed you a long time ago.
October 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Like I said I’m not a Democrat or a Republican, I am independent. There is no doult that racism still exist in this country that we agree on, but to say that the democrats that vote across party are racist, is just wrong. Are the Republicans that vote for Obama racist too?
October 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Could be. Or they’re just sick of Bush-Republicans.
October 4th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Kelly, you are so informed and insightful. I love reading your comments. I am enlightened more each time. KEEP POSTING!!! YOU ROCK!!!
October 4th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
But then your agrument is mute.
If Republicans vote across party lines they disagree with McCain, If Democrats vote across party lines they are racist.
Making statements like this discredits your informed and insightful views.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
You imply that because one doesn’t agree with Obama they must be a right-winged nut or a racist. I might not agree with the direction he wants to take this country but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin, that would be deplorable just as if you vote for Obama because of his skin color.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“If you go back and read you will see I wasn’t insulting her long post I was insulting the issues that she listed.”
You then turned around and did the same thing you sarcasticly chided her for. If go back and read, you would see that is what my original post was about.
“I do not hate Obama or Biden. What I hate is supporting or not supporting someone blindly and I think I have made that clear. Kelly and I were not talking about real issues before but we are now and I love that!!”
So if that is the case, why are you accusing Kelly of “hating McCain”? Like you, she’s expressing her opinion about issues as well.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
spell correction: sarcastically
October 4th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Everyone brace yourselves. I heard that the McCain/ Palin ticket is going to go negative until the election.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Stacee
I find it noble of you to want to defend a fellow blogger but I didn’t hear you defending me when she called me a racist.
Lets just ask her: Kelly do you hate McCain?
October 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Rebecca: Who would vote for 8 more years of this (4 will become 8)?
Democrat ideology is ALL summed up in Obama: Middleclass Rule and Less War. A robust middleclass is what separates America from all others. Or it was.
No true-blue Democrat would throw away years of ingrained beliefs to vote for McCain and more of the same. Who would shoot themselves in the face like that? Only a racist, blinded by hate.
However, the GOP is split by Bush and the Maverick. A Republican would only have to look around and see:
-Highest National Debt $9Trillion
-High Unemployment
-Recession
-Worst Financial Crisis since Great Depression
-Housing Market Collapse
-Two Wars, no end in sight
-Healthcare crisis
…they would only have to look around, and say, I’m not voting for another eight years of this. I’m voting for Obama and putting country first.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Stacee this is what you posted:
Rebecca, ShannonP is right; you posted how long issued Kelly’s post was, saying you “dozed off” and then proceeded to do the same. Talk about throwing stones…
long issued Kelly’s post was,…then proceeded to do the same. I don’t care how long her post is.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
“I find it noble of you to want to defend a fellow blogger but I didn’t hear you defending me when she called me a racist.”
Why, do you not feel you’ve done a good job doing that on your own?
“Lets just ask her: Kelly do you hate McCain?”
“Let’s”? No, how about you do that on your own.
I don’t feel she hates McCain.
I was drawing a parallel to your accusation to her hating him because of her comments about him. I then asked if you hated Obama, since you comment about him too. You said you don’t and expressed why. So if you don’t hate Obama, why do you assume she would hate McCain?
October 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Yep. “long issued’post = post long on issues.
What did I say differently?
October 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Kelly
Thank you for the conversation it has been a pleasure. I will definantly be looking into some of the issues that you brought up.
By the way are you a Democrat?
October 4th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I do not hate McCain. I hold him in great disregard.
But do not ask me how I feel about Bush.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Stacee- the difference is in what comes after, you took pieces of my statement and took it out of context. But let me again be clear I was not trying to insult Kelly for posting a long blog.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
My Mexican grandparents were migrant workers. My non-Mexican grandparents were blue-collar laborers. I was the first in my family to graduate from a 4-year college. I am a Democrat.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
oh, sorry to insinuate you “hated” McCain.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
“Stacee- the difference is in what comes after, you took pieces of my statement and took it out of context”
Nope, it was not I that took things out of context.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Rebecca: This might be a mind changer….whoever gets the Presidency will probably get the chance to appoint at least two Supreme Court Justices. If it’s McCain, that’s the end of Roe VS Wade. They say it should be decided at the state level just to get the uninformed to vote for them. You can be sure that Roe vs Wade will be overturned. Also, we were told that if tax breaks were given to the rich that more jobs would be created, thusly more people having money to spend which would strengthen our economy. This has not happened! 600,000 jobs lost just in 2008 so far! The worst economic crisis since the great depression! How dare McCain ask us to give him another shot at continueing this failed policy! Do you really want to give the Republican party 4-8 more years to try to make that happen? Or is it time to give someone else a shot a helping the poor and middle class.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
#43 McCain’s campaign has been negative the whole time.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Joyce W. Davis:
Trust me I don’t want Roe vs Wade to be overturned anymore than anyone of you do.
And I too want a change in the White House.
The lessor of two evils (I don’t mean that either one of them are actual evil it’s just a phrase)
On one hand a Rebublican that could very well continue the same as the Bush admin. And could possibly take away a womans right to choose.
On the other- You ever heard the saying “You are the Company you keep” Well that scares the heck out of me considering the company Obama keeps. Mike Klonsky, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko just to name a few.
I have research each and everyone of these people and they are radical and dangerous guys. Don’t take my word for it, do the research yourself and tell me if you get a warm fuzzy feeling.
I don’t think Obama is a terrorist, I’m not sure if I would consider him radical. I don’t know enough about his core beliefs.
I find it odd that we as a nation is on a man hunt for a man that is responsible for blowing up the twin towers and killing thousands of people and Bill Ayers a known unapologetic terrorist,who killed people is teaching in our universities.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
And I’m a little on the fence about how close Obama leans toward socialism.
We need a healthcare reform absolutely I’m just not sure I want socialized healthcare. Trust me, my husband is in the military so I know a little bit about government healthcare. Or have you ever had to go to the health department?
I firmly believe that every child and elderly should have health care regardless. I don’t think anyone should lose their house or bankrupt because they got sick. Our nation is too great for this to happen.
When someone is in need then yes we should help but I don’t want to pay for someone elses way because they choose not to. And I don’t want someone to have to pay for me.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
#133 Rebecca, re: Ayers -
“He’s done a lot of good in this city and nationally,” Mayor Richard M. Daley said in an interview this week, explaining that he has long consulted Mr. Ayers on school issues. Mr. Daley, whose father was Chicago’s mayor during the street violence accompanying the 1968 Democratic National Convention and the so-called Days of Rage the following year, said he saw the bombings of that time in the context of a polarized and turbulent era.
“This is 2008,” Mr. Daley said. “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.”
So, if an elected official has stated close ties and is getting no heat then why is Obama getting slammed? Obama has only had passing interactions with Ayers and has never defended him or his actions.
Ayers got his doctorate in ‘87 and is a professor at the University of Illinois. It is not clear which bombings he is responsible for and/or if he was.
I suppose a deeper discussion is when does someone pay their debt to society. In any case, it’s a stretch to punish Obama for what Ayers may or may not have done. Non issue as far as I am concerned and McCain has to stretch to make Obama look bad.
I’m still stuck on the part where McCain left his disfigured wife for a beauty queen millionaire whom he has called a c*nt in public. Don’t trust him. He holds his rage and reckless side way too close to the surface for comfort. Add Keating 5 and I don’t need to know more to know he’s a disaster for this country at this time.
(Ayers article in today’s NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?em)
October 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Heather in LA- “If he was” are you doubting he was involved? He admits that he was and said he didn’t do enough. He has never been remorseful. And all those good deeds was just to promote his polical agenda and his radical educational reform movement. “Radical” his words.
“passing interactions” They sat on the same board of the CAC, Ayers was Co-Chairman, Obama was Chairman for years. Out of a group six, I think? or twelve, have to double check. Obama was in charge of funding moneys to Ayers education reform program. Ayers held a fundraiser at him home for Obama. You think he was “just a guy in his neighborhood” Obama’s words.
You might not find that relavant, I do.
And trust me when I first heard the story of McCain leaving his wife after her car wreck that left her disfigured and that he cheated on her before that. I thought that was disgraceful. But I have taken into consideration that for 5 years prior he had been tortured in a POW camp and when he came back neither one of them were the same mentally or physically. And she had nothing but positive things to say about him from what my research told me. And he is remorseful.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Weatherman-Their founding document called for the establishment of a “white fighting force” to be allied with the “Black Liberation Movement” and other “anti-colonial” movements to achieve “the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism.”
This is the polical agenda for William Ayers, though he no longer promotes violence his polical views have not changed.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
1. yeah i might get to go to the tueday debate and see it live
2. rebecca palin is under investigation and she is vp candidate does( she no ayers) but odes it give you pause
3. ok why must people eqaute universail health care with socailized med like is so evil. people do not chose when they get sick and they dont control how much it cost to get better. and hey when you get down to it a colonoscopy is 2000 dolar everywher you go.so captilism comes in with the insurance companies. And am sorry but am not williing to say to a woman who feel a lump in your breast “hey you can settly for an ultrasound since you can afford a mri. ” this is not someone deciding on 200 dollar shoes or 20 dollar shoes this is life or death issue for people. people health should be a right not a priliage of the rich. you might think an talkign about rich poor disparity am non people making 100000 have different health staus than people making 200000 at this level you think you would nto have a diff. and i can nto immage the gov any worse at this than insurance compamies. health is to imporatnt to leave to free market like tv or phonce service.
honestly i see a system with insurance companies that have stanard rules and cost and where people chose by who had best docs adn hospitials and service. i see insurcane paying in for people as well goverment and doctors giving there time and hospitial giving beds and services to make sure all are covered. we have a lot of models to pick and chose from
October 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
mibi- I so wish I could go to the debate, I hope you get to go.
I have tried to find out more info on the Palin investigation but with little luck from what I have been able to tell there is not much to it. If it is true then yes I want to know.
I am not for socialized healthcare. I agree we need reform.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I have very little choice to what doc I get see and I hate it. Because they are only getting paid a set amount from the government. That saying you get what you pay for- is true. But that is better than nothing. but maybe if it was universal the doctors would have no choice but to treat everyone equally. I’ll have to do more research.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Wait- Lets take Canada for example- universal healthcare, I think. Every taxpayer payes a set amount regardless of income, everyone is covered regardless of whether you pay taxes or not. Or taxes are based on your income and therefore the more you make the more you pay but still everyone is covered. I don’t mind helping someone in need but don’t you think that should be my choice, I mean I might not mind but my neighbor might not want to give his money to me and doesn’t he have that rightto choose.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
McCain’s questionable associations:
>Convicted Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy.
*During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
>Charles Keating- S&L scandal, convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy.
>Jack Abramhoff crimes related to defrauding of American Indian tribes, corruption of public officials, and fraudulent dealings. Convicted of multiple felony counts and sentenced to prison
October 4th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Palin Troopergate links:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5734511&page=1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/criminal-witness-tampering-in-troopergate/
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html
October 5th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Keating: the Senate Ethics Committee rebuked those charges and agreed that McCain should have never been included as one of “Keating Five”
Abramoff: Scumbag but I couldn’t find any ties to McCain that would even imply that McCain knew of any wrong doings. Abramoff was a Republican lobbist so I’m sure McCain knew him. If you have a link could you provide it, please.
Liddy: Different story I see how you could possibly compare the two. I will of course do more research. Thanks for the info.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:38 am
Actually it appears that McCain was a key player in taking down Abramoff. But then criticized for not taking them all down. McCain didn’t profit from Abramoff dealings at all.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:59 am
If one wants to say because someone knows someone who did bad things, then it’s fair to bring up Keating. Besides, Keating and McCain were really good friends (he was the closest to him socially); McCain went on trips with him, took opulent vacations with him, Cindy and her dad had business dealings with him, McCain accepted money from him and he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.
Same with Abramhoff. He, along with Ralph Reed were lobbyists for the Christian Coalition. Reed solicited money and actively fund raised for McCain’s 2000 run. McCain was aware of Abramoff’s ties to the Indian gaming fraud incident.
Guilt by association is apparently okay for some.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Want to talk associations? Let’s talk about Palin’s husband belonging to the AIP. The group that wanted to secede from America. They are folks who MUST hate America, why else would they want to break away from it? Palin even talked about how important the group was in a video. It was also reported that the group may have ties with White supremacist.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:36 am
what is there nto muchto with palin the evidence you found or what she is said to have done/
under any universal system someone will say why am i paying in for someone else forgetting that people are payig in for them too. but we will be in the postion to pick te best parts from all the models and put american edge.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:38 am
sorry i can’t type should read what is there not much to with the palin investigation, the evidence you heard or the charge itself?
October 5th, 2008 at 7:46 am
oh and i don’t to get to pick what taxes i pay for and what they go to so why should i get to pick to not pay in for health. ( espicallly since i see it a rigth for all)
October 5th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Rebecca said: “the Senate Ethics Committee rebuked those charges and agreed that McCain should have never been included as one of “Keating Five””
McCain was cleared of having acted improperly but was criticized for having exercised “poor judgment”. (wiki)
McCain and his wife enjoyed many investments/contributions/perks from their relationship with Keating. Google phoenix new times mccain keating-five
McCain hired the same Washington Lawyer (media manipulation expert) that represented him in Keating Five to handle his wife’s theft, narcotics and forgery charges. She also got off with a slap on the wrist despite her full confession.
Obama, unlike the McCains, was never charged of any crime or ethics violation.
Ayers, like McCain, was never convicted of any crime. Does that mean Ayer is innocent like McCain?
The bombing he confessed to occurred when Obama was 8 years old. Ayers opposed the Vietnam War.
Rebecca: Could you provide the link of Obama’s supposed contributions to Ayers and the link where you claim the Senate Ethics Committee agreed McCain should have never been included? I can’t find these anywhere on the web.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Obama healthcare plan
Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year.
If you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance options.
Read more at barackobama.com/issues/healthcare
October 5th, 2008 at 9:18 am
hey, I agree that some of McCain’s dealing with these guys are questionable but it kills me that not one of you can even bring yourselves to admit that Obama dealings are too. Anything I say about Obama you come back say comparable things about McCain. Doesn’t that just prove that Obama is more of the same and not so different than any other politian?
That means they both lie, they both twist the truth to make themselves look better. So then it just comes down to policy? Take all the other BS out of it because that is all it is.
Policy- Healthcare: Should everybody be covered, yes. Should I make you pay for it, no. You can say “but its the right thing to do”, “its only fair to help out your neighbor” but that should be your choice not mine. Make it an opt-in tax increase or something- I really don’t have an answer.
McCain: healthcare- your going to give “every” american a $5000 tax break, is that like to give everyone a child tax credit so they get money back at the end of the year whether they paid any taxes of not? So again tax payers pay for part of the healthcare.
Taxes- Obama: Raise taxes on the “rich” to help balance what your not getting from the poor. This does not help the middle class sure it helps the poor but not the middle class. If you raise taxes on small business’s what do you think happens, they then transfer those cost back to the people, maybe they have to layoff works to pay for those increased taxes. Talk to the small business’s out there that make $250,000 a year.
McCain- decrease taxes for all Americans, really hows he going to do that when we now have another 700 billion to pay for.I think that is another $2300 for “every” American to pay and we know not every American pays taxes. plus all the other credits he wants to give every American. Not buying it!
Boarder Control- there is noway anyone can justify logically paying healthcare, paying welfare, paying someone for living in America illigally, Close the boards and get that under control, first. The people that are here, if there have broken the law (besides coming here illegally) they should have to leave, sorry. Then work to get honest hardworking illegals legal. So they can fully enjoy being in America.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Kelly-
You try to down play Ayers crimes and just because he got off due to some loophole in the justice system does not mean he is not guilty. He is proud of his work as a weatherman. “Ayers opposed the Vietnam War” well I’m sure bin ladin opposed somethings too, I guess that makes it forgivable. thirty years from now we will forget all about it and invite him to teach our children.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Obama wasn’t accused of any crime.
It was Ayers.
It was John McCain.
It was Cindy McCain.
It was Sarah Palin.
It was not Obama.
Why are you Rebecca, trying to pin Obama with someone else’s crime?
I look forward to the full discussion of Ayers in the press. Let’s see if this is much ado about nothing.
How about those links to your claims? Shall I keep asking?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:43 am
There has been a drop in immigration (illegal or otherwise) thanks to the tank in the economy. As Bill Maher said, you’ll have to hire your stockbroker to cut your grass.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am
“hey, I agree that some of McCain’s dealing with these guys are questionable but it kills me that not one of you can even bring yourselves to admit that Obama dealings are too. Anything I say about Obama you come back say comparable things about McCain. Doesn’t that just prove that Obama is more of the same and not so different than any other politian?”
No. We are trying to make you see that the same things you are accusing Obama of, you are excusing of McCain.
In other words, the things you claim make you concerned and not vote for Obama, you are not taking into account what could be McCain’s questionable ties.
Good for the goose, and all that.
I mean, don’t vote for Obama if you choose. But if you go around citing certain things against him, be certain that the same cannot be said about McCain.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I actually watched a taping of the hearings where a commitee member made that statement, I have been trying to find it on the internet. so sorry, but I’ll stay on it.
So are you saying we know longer have a boarder control problem? or do you have any opinions on the issue?
You right Obama has not been accused of a crime, as of yet, but don’t you think the media should investigate those questionable associations are well as they have for the others. For example: Tony Rezko- you know him the guy from Chicago who is being charged with fraud, attempted bribery and money- laundering, he has been quite but rumor has it he is starting to talk but there are some that are trying to prevent that from happening until after Nov. 4th, ummm, not saying that it has anything to do with Obama but the guy did help Obama with that 1.6Million dollar house he bought. Obama himself has said “someone doesn’t give you that kind of money unless they are getting something in return” of course he was referring to McCain at the time, but I’m sure you’ll agree it applies to Obama too. Let just hope we get the truth before the election and lets hope UIC releases those “public” documents regarding the CAC before the election too.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:12 am
#178. Kelly, great points! Palin is under investigation and she has a nerve to try to throw stones.
#180. Stacee, ITA! Funny how the right-wingers weren’t concerned about the Bush and the Bin Laden family doing business together. Wasn’t Bush 41 in a meeting with one of Bin Laden’s family members on 911?
October 5th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Obama’s connection to Rezko has already been investigated. There wasn’t any evidence that Obama did anything wrong. Try again.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Obama is beating McCain in most of the battle ground states. So look for McCain and his supporters to try to change the subject to nonsense like Ayers and other lame stuff.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
rain and kelly exactaly palin #2 person under investiagtionand is tryng her darndest to get that jugement push back till after election. abuseof power and no one seems to mind. hey she may non be guilty buy i sure need to know that before i could vote for her ticket.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Stacee-
One I never said I was not voting for Obama. As a matter of fact I said I was trying to decide between the lessor of two evils and wasn’t sure who that was. and when you say “No.We are trying to make you see that the same things you are accusing Obama of, you are excusing of McCain…
I never meant to excuse McCain my intention was to draw a comparison of the two which I think I did. I want to make a informed decision and that is why I came to a slightly bias post to find out more which I did. And I can be open to your opinions about McCain and the facts about McCain because I’m not blinded by the pure hate for the other party. See if I say something about Obama and you give me a fairly close comparible to McCain and you do that every time then by logic there is no differenc between the two. So thank you for helping me with that.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am
mibi- you are right. If she is guilty I sure would want to know before I voted. That might be a deal breaker for me.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Rebecca: “One I never said I was not voting for Obama.”
Never said you were not. What I did say
I mean, don’t vote for Obama if you choose“
Rebecca: “I never meant to excuse McCain my intention was to draw a comparison of the two which I think I did. ”
You open the conversation talking about what you see as Obama transgressions constantly. YOU raise the subject. We answer.
And as was pointed out to you before, the Obama/Rezco thing <i?was investigated. It’s time for you to let that talking point go.
Rebecca: “”See if I say something about Obama and you give me a fairly close comparible to McCain and you do that every time then by logic there is no differenc between the two. So thank you for helping me with that.”
WRONG again. Personally, I don’t care that Obama knows people that have had a past doing something I don’t agree with. i don’t care about Rezco. YOU obviously do, which is why we counter with what can be perceived as McCain’s having a jaded past or present accociations.
And unlike you, I am not voting for the “lesser of two evils” like you claim you are because I don’t view my candidate as evil.
And stop with the drama about people “hating”. You’ve already flung that mud. It’s going to end up sticking back to you.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Stacee
this blog has been going on for sometime and I did not start it by saying something about Obama and if you were reading the whole blog from my original statement of “lessor of two evils” I said I did not think either one was evil it is just a phrase. And before I even started on this blog you were talking about Palin and McCains characters so isn’t fair to do the same about Obama. As matter of fact I was first attacked because I question someones statement of Palin’s value on human life because she didn’t value animal life. And any time I questioned anything about what was being said no matter how illogical it was I was slammed. Which is narrow minded.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Rebecca: “this blog has been going on for sometime and I did not start it by saying something about Obama and if you were reading the whole blog from my original statement of “lessor of two evils” I said I did not think either one was evil it is just a phrase.”
I am reading from your responses to me, citing “lesser of two evils”. It may just be a phrase to you, but it still implies that you don’t think much of either candidate. I do not feel the same.
Rebecca: “you were talking about Palin and McCains characters so isn’t fair to do the same about Obama.”
Fair is in the same breath questioning Obama’s associations, doing the same for McCain.
And please cite what I said about Palin and McCain so I can have an idea of what specifically you are referring to.
I’m not sure what you mean by you were “slammed”. If you express an opinion here, especially in a sarcastic manner, ou will be called on it. That’s not “slamming”. If you feel that way, I think that is narrow minded.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
rebecca #176 “the overwhelming majority of those small-business owners would see no increase because they earn too little to be affected”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html
October 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Sigh, Cindy McCain’s dad was a convicted felon who still somehow was able to get an alcohol sales license.
Daily Kos says that McCain slowed down the Abramoff investigation so it wouldn’t hurt Republicans in the 2004 election. Kos also states that McCain only released 8000 out of 742,000 pages of the investigation.
It has also been reported that McCain’s pals benefited from tribes having to find alternative lobbyists.
Here’s a link on a Rolling Stone article someone posted at TWOP. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
October 5th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Stacee: I don’t care if someone disagree’s with me. But because I disagreed with some on this post I was accused of being the “evil Rebecca”, right-wing or racist. And yes after that I became a little sarcastic. And everytime I was sarcastic somebody got all upset but no one seams to mind if someone is rude to me and that is because I don’t agree with everything that is being said on this post. And I’m sorry I didn’t mean you, I meant the blog. And I started throwing out questionable things about Obama because it was said that McCain was a liar and Obama was honest. I believe they are both dishonest or at the very least exaggerate the truth.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Heather in LA: That factcheck link is an Annenberg site. Since Annenberg is an Obama campaign advisor I’m going to consider that bias. I’m sure a McCain site will say right the opposite.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Rebecca: I am sorry I called you a racist, or compared you to Evil Rebecca. You are really gutsy. Stacee’s points were factual, your beef is with me and I accept that.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Rebecca! Are you seriously stating that FactCheck.org is not a legitimate site????
If not, where do you suggest we get unbiased fact checking? And so help me, if you lead me to a McCain site…
October 5th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
All right, I did a quick search, see no evidence that Annenberg is an Obama advisor, please supply link.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Rebecca?
October 5th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
It gets very frustrating to hear all the politcal bashing that takes place while we flip channels on television or read articles in the newspaper, etc. I guess I am tired of all the ads but do look forward to voting soon. I just want our country to move forward.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
I understand Catherine. I am tired too. But these are the headlines, and debate is crucial. People are dying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These are the headlines the past few days…
Family of 11 killed during U.S. raid, Iraqi police say - (including 3 children) CNN
90-Year-Old Woman Shoots Herself Inside Foreclosed Ohio Home - FOX News
Job Losses Pushing U.S. Economy Into `Significant’ Recession - Bloomberg.com
October 6th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Kelly Says:
Rebecca! Are you seriously stating that FactCheck.org is not a legitimate site????
Kelly Says:
All right, I did a quick search, see no evidence that Annenberg is an Obama advisor, please supply link.
Kelly, it’s a right wing talking point.
October 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I misspoke in regards to Annenberg factscheck.com- sorry Heather in LA. No excuse I was just wrong
October 6th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
The Dow is down another 700+ points today!!