The View September 28th Recap: Jason Lee, Diane Sawyer, and Ashley Qualls
The first topic on The View today was why children aren’t afraid of their parents anymore. Elisabeth Hasselbeck said that now with cell phone and texting, people don’t have to go through the parent to talk to the child on the phone. They all expressed how they could not talk back to their parents. Whoopi Goldberg demonstrated “the look” that her mom had that prevented wrong-doing. Sherri Shepherd said that her mom would clench up her two front teeth and call her by her full name and she knew to get inline. Joy Behar joked that parents today need their kids for tech support so they aren’t as strict.
Whoopi said that spanking a child “is sometimes okay.” Joy said that she had the fight over corporal punishment with Star Jones for ten years. Sherri said that sometimes kids need to have a fear of you like if he is running into the street. Elisabeth said that the hand hurts a lot less than getting hurt by the car and the kid will remember it. Whoopi clarified that she was not talking about beating a child, but spanking them.
Joy wants to know whatever happened to good old-fashioned guilt. She said it worked for her and Elisabeth said that it did for her, too. Elisabeth said that Grace hasn’t done anything for her to have to consider whether to give her a little pinch or something. Joy said, “Gracie? Don’t you dare!” Elisabeth said that what is difficult for parents is to remove themselves from their anger when they discipline their child.
Sherri said that she spanks her son, Jeffrey. She was going to spank him when they were out to a store when a woman came up and told Sherri how great she is on The View. She said that Jeffrey got lucky.
This transitioned into whether men are intimidated by funny women. Joy joked that you could “snip off a certain part of their body with a joke.” Whoopi doesn’t think that men are intimidated by “the funny.” Sherri agreed that men are intimated by her because sometimes she looks and them and laughs. Elisabeth said that she is not funny, so she can’t intimidate anyone. Whoopi said that Elisabeth makes her laugh. Elisabeth responded, “What? With my politics?” Joy said that Jewish men find her funny. She said that the problem with Italian men is that, although they are good looking, they are “like, ‘Go get me the ravioli.’” She said that they should get their own ravioli.” Whoopi said that Black men expect women to go get things for them, too. Sherri said she says, “I ain’t your mama.”
They talked about how there are more couples that are interfaith. Elisabeth said it is difficult to pass your beliefs onto your children, if the parents believe two different things. Whoopi said that maybe they should discuss the religions with the child. Joy said that if you start teaching a child as young as two about religion it is sort of like brain-washing. She said that they should be able to decide for themselves when they are older. Elisabeth is already teaching Bible stories to teach Grace. Sherri agreed with Elisabeth and Sherri quoted a scripture about raising a child with religion. Elisabeth hugged her and called her “a walking Bible.” Joy asked Sherri if her son doesn’t agree with her, does she smack him?
Whoopi wondered whether the child will question the parent if they have not lived a Biblical life. She also added that there are a lot of things in the Bible that are obsolete. Sherri said that she tries to live a Biblical life, but she would not keep from Jeffrey things that she has done wrong in her life, like smoking pot and going to jail for traffic tickets. Joy said that you should want to raise a child with morals and not focus on the religion.
Whoopi wonders if this country has become so money hungry that people have lost track of doing what they love to do. She said that she plays the lottery every week. Joy said that people used to want to go to school for things like social work and teaching. She thinks that it has become a greedy world. Elisabeth said that people have a choice to do a career in an area they love or have a career where they will make enough money to do the things that they love outside of their job. Joy said that a lot of people who choose a money career over a passion like art often end up regretting the decision. Sherri said that when she was a legal secretary, a lot of the attorneys she worked with had other aspirations like writing or art.
Jason Lee appeared on the show to promote the new season of My Name is Earl. In the show, his character has ended up in prison. His co-star, Jamie Pressley, won the Emmy for best supporting actress. He said that they work 12-14 hours a day and it is a lot of work. He turned down the role initially because they wanted a seven year contract. He also did not want to be tied to a television persona for the rest of his career. He said that he was so drawn to the script and that is why he ultimately took the part. He thinks that the show has changed people in that they have started making their own lists to right wrongs in their lives and people think more about karma.
Jason said that he is really sick of having a mustache. He was a professional skateboarder prior to acting and he also is a photographer. He is a big fan of Burt Reynolds. His four year old son is also into skateboarding. Jason will also appear in the upcoming Alvin and the Chipmunks movie.
Diane Sawyer appeared on the show to promote her interview with Jenna Bush, daughter of President Bush, for 20/20. She said that people think that they know who Jenna is, but if you watch the interview you will be surprised by a lot of the things that you learn about her. The interview covers such topics as her recent engagement, a book that she has written, and how she deals with what people say about her father.
Ashley Qualls, age 17, appeared on the show to talk about her successful website, Whateverlife, which offers over 3000 customizable layouts for MySpace. She gets millions of visitors a month. She is self-taught and offers the designs for free. She makes money through advertising revenue and has earned over a million and a half dollars in her venture. Her mother is now one of her employees. She quit school to run the business full-time and is currently going to school to get an associates degree in design. I thought it was funny that none of the hosts really understood what she is doing or how she made money. Whoopi said that they all felt inadequate because they did not understand it.
The View, Sherri Shepherd, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Diane Sawyer, Ashley Qualls, Jason Lee, Jenna Bush, whateverlife
September 28th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I watched about 10-15 minutes of todays show then I got bored and decided to clean my house. Hmmm… this time last year I would skip the cleaning to watch the view. Oh well.
I kept it on and caught bits of the conversation and I think another problem for me is that I just don’t relate to any of these women. I don’t want to debate the spanking issue here but that is just not my thing. I could not spank (let alone pinch) my 3 year old daughter.
Also when EH talks about religion I get really irritated.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:30 am
I didn’t really enjoy the show today..too much talk about kids. Rather hear topics of today..I don’t get the lovey dovey attitude of EH and Sherri. Go hug and complement each other somewhere else. I cringe when Whoopie carries on about how swell EH is like today and when she was on Star Jones show. Think I’ll start going to the grocery or doing chores instead of watching Sherri/EH gaze at each other admiringly. Rather see Whoopie get going on a good rant.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Ditto, Viva. I just “ranted” on another section of Winnie’s view about how I still think it’s important that people speak up & counter EH’s views … so I think I still tune in when I can because I am hopeful Whoopi & Joy will do so. And Sherri still keeps me guessing as to what she will say; her responses are less predictable and certainly less knee-jerk partisan than EH’s are. But I zone out really quickly and multi-task. It’s a snore when you realize how reined-in they have become.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:32 am
I am the world’s worst typist. I meant to say on another section of Winnie’s site. Didn’t mean to say anything at all about Winnie’s personal views. Sorry, Winnie.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:34 am
May,
I didn’t hear Whoopi praise EH–what did she say? I must have been glazed over….
September 28th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Are they running out of “Hot Topics” or what? How many times are they going to discuss spanking?
September 28th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Peaches,
They were talking about men being intimidated by funny women. Sherri, Whoopi and Joy were all giving antedoes of their experiences and EH remarked that she (EH) was not funny. Whoopi then remarked that she finds EH funny. EH then says ‘what’s funny, my politics?’
Persnally, I agree with Whoopi. EH is witty and at times very humorous. But her politics are anything but funny.
As for the show today, gotta agree - I did not enjoy it either.
The Sawyer interview was okay, seeing another side of Jenna Bush. The Earl interview was a little awkward watching. He’s funny, so I think it made up for the strange pauses here and there.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Peaches, The question you asked me was answered by Stacee. I’ll just add that she said about the same thing on Star’s show. I must say that I don’t find EH funny nor witty, only obnoxious and will be happy to see who takes her place while she’s on leave. Did she stay on maternity leave for 1 month or two last time? I miss Rosie.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
When Joy addressed the spanking issue with Whoopie and Sherri saying she had this same conflict with Star Jones for years, what wasn’t acknowledged is, as I learned in grad school, this is a cultural difference between Afican American and White philosophies about child rearing prevelent in our society.
September 28th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
I also don’t think that EH is funny, and certainly not witty.
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“this is a cultural difference between Afican American and White philosophies about child rearing prevelent in our society.”
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I totally disagree with that. I know people of all races and religions, some spank and some don’t. It depends on the persons upbringing and how they choose to raise their own children.
September 28th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
I obviously don’t mean it’s always the case–of course you can find exceptions to every generality. And what I am saying isn’t the slightest bit racist, although it does have a racial motivation that makes sense. As explained to me by my Black friends in a graduate sociology class, the reason for spanking being more common amoung Black families in a society where there is prejudice against people of color is logical. A black kid not obeying a parent risks more if that disobedience carries to the greater society such as talking back to any auhority figues such as a cop who may be more likely to use inapproprite use of force on a Black kid. Therefore corporal punishment is partially to instill fear of authority for the kids’own safelty. I think it’s a fascinating commentary on societal difference in treatment due to prejudice.
September 28th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
No offense, but that’s most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard! I don’t think that African American parents spank their kids more than non African American parents.
I have friends who are Muslim and they got spanked when they were children and I also have friends who are African American and they weren’t spanked.
It’s never cool to generalized , again it depends on how that individual was raised.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
“Joy said that you should want to raise a child with morals and not focus on the religion.” Where does she think the morals came from? Our Lord. Thou shalt not…
September 28th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
To Kshe:
“Where does she think the morals came from? Our Lord. Thou shalt not…”
HA!! Morals and religion are two VERY different things. Look it up…
One does not have to be religious to be moral, nor are all religious people moral.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
“One does not have to be religious to be moral, nor are all religious people moral.”
Excellent point.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
In regards to the comment where its more prevelant for African Americans to spank more than others are due a perception put out by African American comedians. Its usually part of a comedy routine where they are not ashamed of being a victim of the shoe
or the wooden spoon. Unfortunately, white’s do not admit to using the spoon and alot of white children threaten to call child protection service on their own parents so its more of a private issue.
My point it, African Americans embrace the punishment as someone caring enough to love them and protect them. Whites look at it as shame amongst themselves.
Needless to say, my mother ruled the house with a wooden spoon in her back pocket and we are white..
September 29th, 2007 at 2:04 am
Sasha - I agree with you 100%.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:21 am
“My point it, African Americans embrace the punishment as someone caring enough to love them and protect them. Whites look at it as shame amongst themselves.”
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It’s totally ignorant to make generalizations about another race of people. Unless, you’ve traveled across the country and talked to everyone within that race, you can only make assumptions.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:12 am
That’s not what I said. “Morals” defined as a set of beliefs regarding what is right and what is not was given to us by God. There is a list of ten…look it up. Religion is manmade.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:29 am
I still don’t know what Kshe’s holy-than-thou point is… There’s no morals without “God”? Simply ridiculous.
September 29th, 2007 at 9:37 am
That’s not what I said. “Morals” defined as a set of beliefs regarding what is right and what is not was given to us by God. There is a list of ten…look it up. Religion is manmade.
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Look, we get it. You believe that people that don’t believe in your God aren’t moral. However, it’s simply untrue. Your “God” did not invent morality…and it’s offensive to those that don’t believe in your God to imply that that’s the case.
Again, you can have morality without ever believing in God, AND, there are many people that believe in God, but have terrible morals. Open your mind.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:34 am
“Again, you can have morality without ever believing in God, AND, there are many people that believe in God, but have terrible morals. Open your mind.”
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ITA! So very, very true.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
I do find EH witty at times, and I am a person who thrives on humor. We all need a good laugh every day.
Spanking, I think also that it is not really a mater of race or culture, but more on how one is brought up.
Religion & morals, absolutely there are people who claim to be religious who are not very moral as well one can have great morals and not believe in God, absolutely. However I will say this, people who believe in God’s word and follow it will have the best of morals.
And to me the View doesn’t always have to be about politics, or extremely controversial issues to generate conversation. There are 22 comments here.
I’m not so sure that there will ever be another host on the View like Rosie. I didn’t agree with her views, but i loved her passion and her desire to get her views out. I really enjoyed the debates between her and EH. Some say that E.H.’s views are dangerous, some say that Rosie’s views are dangerous. Myself I think it is healthy and good for our country, our citizens, and those at home who may not access the news or media to have input from both sides.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
“people who believe in God’s word and follow it will have the best of morals.”
You’re contradicting yourself. It seems you’re saying that people who believe in God have better morals than non-believers. I believe in God and try to follow the teachings of Christ, but I don’t believe in organized religion.
The View has watered down the hot topics, it seems as though they gloss over world matters and talk about things of little importance. I can see why someone would call EH’s views dangerous, simply because she lies. There isn’t any other way to put it. Anyone that pulls numbers of their a$$ like she does on a daily basis is a liar.
Why not give the public the facts and let them decide for themselves? That’s why I despise this current administration, they have no respect for the rule of law or for truth and integrity.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
EH can be slightly witty @ times. She sounds like she’s scared. I don’t mind The View having a conservative on the show. It’s the differences that make the show. But, they should have someone tougher in there to counteract the more liberal views. It seem that Elis wants to cry when she’s making a point. Imagine Ann Coulter againt Rosie, would she still be on, ha!! My prediction, she won’t last long. And that would be the end of her “friendship” with Joy. That is happening too often.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
“people who believe in God’s word and follow it will have the best of morals.”
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I agree with rainlilie: It seems you’re saying that people who believe in God have better morals than non-believers.”
It is close-minded people like Sandy and Kshe (and EH) that are dangerous. In believing that your particular views and religion are better than everyone else’s, you feel it gives you the right to pass judgement on those that feel differently. I have nothing against religion, so long as it is not used as a hall pass to divide and segregate. But once you start touting YOUR beliefs as the ONLY beliefs, then it’s wrong, and dangerous. Condemnation and judgement, to me, at least, are not moral attitudes or behaviors.
On a different note, I sometimes find EH to be witty and funny, but most of the time, her loud, mostly un-informed opinions bother me. I don’t have a problem with dissenting viewpoints, but at least be informed when you take a stand for something.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Here are two people who believe in God and think they are very moral people: George Bush and that married with children preacher (Swaggart?) who was recently caught with male prostitutes (while previously campaigning against gays) and a crystal meth habit. In my family the most “religious” and “moral” one turned out to be a child molestor, a gambler who gambled the family’s home away and possibly secretly bi-sexual. This is what I mean - just because someone says they are god-fearing and moral doesn’t mean they are. In fact it often makes me wonder what they are hiding when they scream it from the roofs and point accusing fingers at other “non-believers”.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Imagine a view with 2 liberals and 2 conservatives instead of 3 against 1.
Or like someone posted above, ann coulter up against rosie. The moment rosie said that fire doesn’t melt steel ann would have exposed her for the uneducated person she is. Ann vs. rosie would be like EH fighting mike tyson in an alley.
At least ratings for the view are up, that should add a little more to rosie’s depression.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Brandon Wolner,
Rosie VS Ann wouldn’t be a fair fight. Rosie comes with facts pertaining to the war, the only thing that Ann has is GOP talking points, from a group of people who have been WRONG about everything.
You’re a jackass for thinking that depression is something to joke about.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
“I don’t mind The View having a conservative on the show.”
Neither do I, but EH isn’t a conservative, she’s a Bush supporter. Maybe she just plays a conservative on TV.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
3 against 1? Who was that third liberal?? Dont say Barabara Walters, thats a joke.
Btw, the View is 2 against 2 now that EH has Sherri on her side. Enjoy.
September 30th, 2007 at 10:23 am
Rainlillie,
even you would have to admit that college dropout Rosie would have a problem discussing facts with Ann coulter, the college educated lawyer. Rosie made facts up all the time, reading off far left-wing websites. Her comment about the number of deaths was a lie! Remember her old show when she went off on tom selleck about guns, did anyone ask her why she had ARMED security guards protecting her and her kids, what about the guns? And then when she gleefully had on that actress that was in the shoot-um up movie, the one where the actress had a gun instead of a lower leg. Nothing like promoting a movie with unbelievable amounts of violence. But it’s all for a buck, just like greedy republican capitalists.
And besides, Rosie believes 9/11 was a bush plot, and solicited the “truthers” to come on the show. She ranted on the view’s pre-show warmup. http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/05/one-last-shot-of-9-11-denial-on-view.html
Let me ask you, did you see planes fly into the twin towers? If so, you are smarter than rosie.
Your liberal views are out of the mainstream view of America. Go test yourself. http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html
Or you can just view the results, 4 of the top 5 candidates are Conservative. http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_justresults.php
With Rosie off the show, ratings are up. More proof how her opinions weren’t as widely accepted as you wish they were.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Rosie was right about the number of civilians killed in Iraq. “An estimated 100,000 civilians have died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the March 2003 United States-led invasion, according to a new study by a research team at the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.” http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/europe/29casualties.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
While I’m not a 911 conspiracy theorist, I do believe that the corrupt Bush administration is guilty of negligence on 911. Due to the fact that Rice ignored the memo ” Bin Laden determined to attack within America”. According to the 911 commissions report
“As the Clinton administration drew to a close, Clarke and his staff developed a policy paper of their own [which] incorporated the CIA’s new ideas from the Blue Sky memo, and posed several near-term policy options. Clarke and his staff proposed a goal to “roll back” al Qaeda over a period of three to five years …[including] covert aid to the Northern Alliance, covert aid to Uzbekistan, and renewed Predator flights in March 2001. A sentence called for military action to destroy al Qaeda command-and control targets and infrastructure and Taliban military and command assets. The paper also expressed concern about the presence of al Qaeda operatives in the United States.” [p. 197]
Clarke, who also worked for the Bush administration, wrote Condoleezza Rice a memo as soon as the Bush administration took office, stating, “[W]e urgently need…a Principals level review of the al Qida network.” His request was denied.”
Ann is full of hot air and she adds nothing of substance to the conversation. She continues to blindly follow the failed policy of an administration who has been WRONG about every aspect of this war. Yes , the majority of the American people supports Rosie position on the war http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0814-01.htm
September 30th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
“I have friends who are Muslim and they got spanked when they were children and I also have friends who are African American and they weren’t spanked.”
You comment is just bizarre. Do you think cultural norms are established from your personal observations alone? I am sharing sociological findings that have been researched and published by African Americans about African Americans. This is not about the people you alone know. You sound like you are afraid of a little scolarly research into how cultural norms come about. Open up your head a little. Then you wrote, “It’s never cool to generalize.” Of course we can generalize about things! Generalizations are about a common stance that is often taken by a particular segment of the population. Nothing is always true, but certain generaliztions are a result of repeated expression of behavior and ideas. Talk to the parents of your Black friends who lived in areas which were not safe (urban ghettos, etc.) and listen to their explanations. You think it’s just a total coincidence that Star, Whoopie, and Sherri–three very different people– all agree on this?
September 30th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Meredith,
My point went over your head. People are tired of people like you making racist statements.
The sad part is, you don’t see anything wrong with what you’ve said…Sort of like Bill O’Reilly.
You have no proof that African Americans spank more than non African Americans. The only way you can prove this, is if you went across the country and interviewed every single African American.
So Star, Whoopi and Sherri have become the voice of EVERY single African American person.. I had no idea.
Joy is Italian, and she doesn’t spank, My in-laws are Italian and they do spank. So that just shows you it’s more about your upbringing and less about race.
September 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
#35 “The only way you can prove this, is if you went across the country and interviewed every single African American.”
So in your reply in #33 “Yes , the majority of the American people supports Rosie position on the war” did you ask the majority of the American people? Did commondreams ask the majority of the American people?
September 30th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Hey Brandon,
It’s called polling. All of the latest polling data have shown that MOST Americans have turned against Bush and this war. I’m happy to say that I’ve always been against Bush and have always been against this war. There hasn’t been any polls to show that MOST African Americans spank their children…Sorry you’re wrong again.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:34 am
I would like to clarify a comment I made please. It wasn’t meant to criticise anyone. I apologise if it seemed as if I was. I was just making a comment about what I believed “kshe” was saying.
“people who believe in God’s word and follow it will have the best of morals.”
Those “following God’s words and living by them”, will have the best of morals. Simply if they live by all of God’s words they can not help but to have the best of morals. Many people claim to be religious, who do not live by or follow the words of God all the time. That is NOT to say that they don’t have good morals. Many people do not believe in God at all, and that also does NOT mean that they do not or can not have good morals.
I certainly do not consider myself to be more moral or righteous than anyone else. Nor could I ever make that claim, as I haven’t always lived by the words of God.
I myself couldn’t see where Meredith was being racist.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:39 am
#37 rainlillie,
Thanks for being so judgmental to call me wrong. All I did was post your words and ask two questions so I can see why someone like you would view that as an attack. It’s like how people get hostile when one compares the bush house in texas to the gore house in Tennessee http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp. Or compares Chelsea Clinton making a 6 figure salary working for a hedge fund while Jenna Bush is a public school teacher in washington DC.
Unlike you, the majority of the democrats were for the war when it started. In your opinion, did bush lie us into the war? Do you believe that the democrats also lied? Here are a few quotes for you to use when coming to your decision if the democrats lied. If you want more I will gladly provide them.
“As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It’s about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability — a capability that could be less than a year away.
The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9-11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event — or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse — to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.”
Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina) US Senate floor statement: “Iraqi Dictator Must Go” September 12, 2002 http://edwards.senate.gov/statements/20020912_iraq.html
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members…
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York) Addressing the US Senate October 10, 2002 http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
“Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There’s no question about that.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California) During an interview on “Meet The Press” November 17, 2002 http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=375
Is oreilly a racist? Is joe biden when talking about obama? “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”
October 1st, 2007 at 11:22 am
Any time time you make generalizations about a whole race of people it’s being racist IMO. We can’t assume that all African Americans do this or do that. Like all people, African Americans are individuals and they all don’t think alike or punish their children the same way. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.
The problem I have with your statement is saying “people who believe in God’s word and follow it will have the best of morals.”
That means that people who don’t won’t have the the” best or morals. ” Yet you say that’s not what you meant. It’s very confusing to me and apparently to others who read your post as well.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:53 am
Rainlillie,
Sorry that I am confussing to you and or others. Perhaps I’m not the most articulate in expressing my views or thoughts.
I love your name…Rainlillie. It sounds so pretty, refreshing.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:25 pm
While I hesitate to wander into this fray, for fear of losing a knee cap (or getting spanked), here’s the wisdom I’ve gleaned from reading this entire thread.
1. If generalizations are wrong, Democrats shouldn’t make generalizations about Republicans nor should Republicans generalize about Democrats. (Insert group and/or position of your choice and repeat.)
2. When debating matters of religion, the moral principles of kindness and tolerance are often cast aside. (I count on any potential or actual Supreme Being to have both, and please, a good sense of humor as well.) [Said statement not meaning to imply belief and/or disbelief in any sect, religion, deity, or moral principle, so help me Zeus.]
3. Rainlillie and Brandon should never be in the same room.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
4. Rosie is to discussion as a match is to gasoline.
5. A statistic can be found to support any position. Somewhere in the math lies the truth, but alas, I failed trig.
6. Winnie gets so many comments I’m green with envy.
And in the very final analysis, we are all the same. Human beings living in confusing, divisive times struggling to arrive at the best possible answers within our own personal, ethical context.
I applaud the passion of all those who have commented here.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Rainlillie, Are you on the rag? I have been catching up on this message board today after 10 days away, and again and again your posts come up jumping all over what someone else says! Ironically, this is the “VIEW” message board….all of us are allowed a VIEW even if it is different than yours! That does not make them wrong! Chill out!
October 1st, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Rena,
Thank you for your comments. I have to agree 100% with all of them.
I really enjoy reading the different opinions and “Views” here as well.
I also thank Winnie for the place to read and express our opinions.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:45 pm
“Ironically, this is the “VIEW” message board….all of us are allowed a VIEW even if it is different than yours! That does not make them wrong! Chill out!”
The thing is, a Troll crawled onto this site, just for the sick sport of regurgitating right-wing talking points and picking a fight with people. The Troll’s original remark was making fun of Rosie’s depression and having to take medication. That’s kind of different from people who watch The View and like to talk about it & sometimes disagree. While I for one refuse to feed any Trolls, I applaud Rainlillie’s responses. And by Troll, I certainly do not mean someone who disagrees. I mean someone who clearly is not here because it likes The View, but because it crawls from site to site and blog to blog, infecting it with tiresome, nasty remarks. Google the Troll’s name and you’ll see what I mean. And, preemptively, I do not plan on responding to any of the Troll’s taunts or responses to me after it reads my post.
October 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Beth,
“Are you on the rag? ”
That was truly a lowclass thing to say.
October 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pm
I don’t see anyone here making generalizations about Republicans. My comments are about the people who continue to support Bush and I have polling to back me up.
I seriously doubt you’ll find any polls to back up claims made about a persons race when it comes to spanking their children.
I find any type of religious extremism intolerable. That’s what we’re fighting aginst now. Muslim extrmists believe their way is the only way and people who worship differently are wrong.
That’s what I hear when someone says people who believe in God have the best morals…according to who?
October 1st, 2007 at 1:29 pm
“Unlike you, the majority of the democrats”
FYI I’m not a Democrat and never have been.
October 1st, 2007 at 2:06 pm
“My point went over your head. People are tired of people like you making racist statements.”
rainlillie,
October 1st, 2007 at 2:21 pm
“My point went over your head. People are tired of people like you making racist statements”
rainlillie, You are beyond obnoxious in making that statement. You clearly know nothing about sociology and are afraid of the results of studies. It is apparent in every unsubstantive comment you have made that you are not looking at the rational behind these studies made BY AFRICAN AMERICANS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS. It is not racist to look at what drives a cultural norm. Have you been to college? Do you understand multiple perspectives to explain a phenomenon?? The research actually presents one explanation for why spanking would be more accepted in Black communities. It defends the practive in the face of what most pediatricians agree on, that spanking is not a successfil method of discipline. Try to look at the reasons I explained instead of firing from the hip over and over saying the exact same thing. Do you also not believe that minority children in a bad area with drive by shootings and generally abhorent conditions are as safe as white kids in an upper class neighborhood? Please don’t say “this is a generalization until you have visited every neighborhood of high crime in the coutry and talked to each and every person there.” That is just a very childish notion of how information is gleaned. What I have tried to explain is this has been RESEARCHED and it explains why there is a cultural precident. It makes a person compassionate as to how a frightened parent in a crime ridden neighborhood would resort to keeping their child safe by making the consequenses at home severe so their child will follow certain rules. Now before you reply, try going back anad reading all of my e-mails before this and see if you can wrap your head around the fact that this is not racist at all but supportive of people who might resort to spanking.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Meredith and rainlillie,
I think you both have valid points. I’m not sure there is a wrong or right in this, just a difference of opinions. I also feel both of you have good intent behind what you are saying. Please know I really enjoy what both you of you contribute here.
Peaches, thanks for the heads up regarding that trollster. I googled as you suggested and wow. Very interesting reading.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Thanks Stacee. Always nice to have a rational outside observer. I just hate being labeled and have my point twisted and misunderstood when I feel I am being so clear. I am the least racist person I know, so it is beyond bizarre (and unexcusable in my opinion) for someone to call me that. I would never throw such an inflammatory accusation around. It’s nasty and toxic.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Meredith,
First of all you have no idea what my race is, secondly you haven’t shown any proof of what you’re saying is true. Please post a link to a study, a poll that back your racist claims up.
People who live in poor neighborhoods come in all different colors. Poverty isn’t limited to one race of people.
I’m not going to waste my time responding to someone who is a bigot and also clueless.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Stacee,
Thanks for seeing my point. It really gets under my skin to hear someone spout ignorant comments about a whole group of people without any proof. Generalizations, are excuses bigots use to spread hate.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Meredith, excellent, thoughtful post! I know exactly what you are saying, and don’t think there is anything in your posts to suggest you are a bigot. I have also seen many black comics talking about having to get a switch to get whooped–even Bill Cosby has done that one. Guess that makes me a bigot too–NOT.
Rainlillie, maybe I didn’t read closely enough, but where did Meredith say anything about knowing what race you are?
October 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Beth,
I was raised to judge each person as an individual. Not to make generalizations about people based on the actions of others who may be of the same race.
That’s like someone saying I met three women named Beth and they all were overweight. Even a comedian said they knew a couple of people name Beth and they too were overweight.
See how ridiculous that is?
We can’t make assumptions about another race of people it’s wrong and no matter how you spin it, it’s racist.
October 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I am not supporting or opposing anyone in this conversation. I was merely curious about the question of spanking by ethnicity and searched for “acceptance of spanking by African Americans.” This article from Johns Hopkins summarizes the findings of an American Academy of Pediatrics study on the subject.
https://hopkinsnet.jhu.edu/servlet/page?_pageid=856&_dad=portal30p&_schema=PORTAL30P
It includes this paragraph:
Overall, 39 percent of the mothers reported spanking their child once in the past week. Nearly 36 percent of white, non-Hispanic, 49 percent of African-American and 32 percent of Hispanic mothers reported spanking their infants at least once in the past week. The average of spankings in the past week was 3.2 for whites, 3.9 for African-Americans and 2.7 for Hispanics, according to the study. The average number of spankings for the entire group was 3.4 in the past week.
October 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Peaches-
Notice the Troll has apparently left the building…I googled him right after he posted as well. Pity, because he’s now gotten what he wanted: attention…why else would you post with your last name other than for attention. Sad, really…
Seems to me like Troll is trying to compensate for other areas in his life that are lacking. Anyway, I agree with Peaches; let’s not give Troll the satisfaction of a response.
October 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Beth,
We can’t make assumptions about another race of people it’s wrong and no matter how you spin it, it’s racist.
O.M.G. It’s like trying to have a dialogue with a small child. All you can do is repeat yourself and use highly inflammatory name calling. I guess you just don’t have the intellectual capability to reread my e-mails and analyze the point I am making. Do you even understand the point I am making? Can you reflect it back to me? I am dying of curiousity to see if you can. I would be so impressed if you were capable of saying, “That is an interesting theory as to one of the resaons why African Americans just may spank more then non African Americans.” Of course there are other races in poor neighborhoods! That isn’t the point. What is the ratio of Whites vs, Blacks in crime ridden neighborhoods?? OK, forget about race entirely for a moment. Can you understand on any level why a parent would want to protect a child in a high crime area by threatening corporal punishment? Can you answer that honestly instead of name calling?
October 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pm
OOPS This site does twitching things. Before it posted what I was in the middle of typing, I was about to write:
Beth: Thank you for your comment. It is a breath of fresh air to have someone understand what I have been trying unsuccessfully to explain to rainlille.
rainlillie: O.M.G. It’s like trying to have a dialogue with a small child. All you can do is repeat yourself and use highly inflammatory name calling. I guess you just don’t have the intellectual capability to reread my e-mails and analyze the point I am making. Do you even understand the point I am making? Can you reflect it back to me? I am dying of curiousity to see if you can. I would be so impressed if you were capable of saying, “That is an interesting theory as to one of the resaons why African Americans just may spank more then non African Americans.” Of course there are other races in poor neighborhoods! That isn’t the point. What is the ratio of Whites vs, Blacks in crime ridden neighborhoods?? OK, forget about race entirely for a moment. Can you understand on any level why a parent would want to protect a child in a high crime area by threatening corporal punishment? Can you answer that honestly instead of name calling?
October 1st, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Meredith,
I will say this and this will be my last reply to you and to Beth. To assume is to make an ass out of yourself, and thus far that is what the two of you have beautifully done. You’re no different than racists like Bill O’Reilly who is amazed that African Americans can eat with two hands like everyone else. God only knows what you say in the privacy of your home.
October 1st, 2007 at 5:45 pm
“Can you understand on any level why a parent would want to protect a child in a high crime area by threatening corporal punishment?”
One last thing. No I can’t understand that. Regardless of where you live in America , your children are at risk. How is spanking a child protecting them?
October 1st, 2007 at 6:04 pm
rainlillie: You have proved my point that you are incapable of understanding what I have been saying all along and all you can do is name-call. Good luck in this life discerning the racists from the non because you are so off the mark it is laughable. It is you who are ridiculously ignorant to say children are all equally at risk. Clearly you have not been to dangerous neighborhoods. How ignorant to assume all people are in equal danger. How insulting to the folks who struggle every day to keep their children safe, while you patronize us with your generalizations about everyone having it equally challenging out there. I read over many of your comments to other people over the weeks and you consistently jump to conclusions about them (yes, making an ass out of yourself as you so childishly quoted the definition of “assume” to me). Why do you use insults instead of logic? Why don’t you try asking questions when you don’t understand such as, “What do you mean by that?” Don’t worry about the privacy of my home, it’s in exemplary shape. My family is out there in the world fighting the good fight for equal rights for all, and we are not afraid to engage in intellectual discussion about all kinds of things.
October 1st, 2007 at 6:47 pm
rainlille asks: “One last thing. Regardless of where you live in America,your children are at risk. How is spanking a child protecting them?”
REALLY good question.
As it has been explained to me by my African American friends (I didn’t make this up–it isn’t my opinion, it’s what I have been taught), the practice of “getting a “whoopin” has been passed down as a practice through generations of Black families in areas where life has been hard (all over the country). My Black colleagues and Black friends and Black students have told me that the practice is one that grew out of the problems of a racist society where due to unfair treatment, getting ahead has been doubly hard and so in desperate situations when a child is vulnerable to joining a gang, or participating in illegal activities, it was mainly the mothers who would let you know in no uncertain terms that the discipline at home would be severe. It’s a desperate means to an end. Having this explained to me taught me to be less judgmental about other people’s choices. It taught me I can’t walk around thinking, “All spanking is bad,” coming from my limited priveleged life experience, but I need to incorporate other perspectives and cultures and socioecenomic groups into my thought process. Of course not all Afican Americans were raised this way, but it is apparently very common, and partly came from a way to cope in difficult times, and rather than judge it, I respect it.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Couldn’t resist the bs is so thick.
Studies have indicated that women and especially children are more likely to become victims than any other group…Regardless of the color of their skin and where they live. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvictgen.htm
I really don’t care who explained spanking to you, the argument is illogical and it doesn’t make any sense to sane non-violent people. Spanking your children , so that the police won’t use brutality…Unreal. The people who think that way shouldn’t be allowed to have children.
I just had a conversation with my sister in-law and told her what you said about the reason behind African Americans spanking their children and I can’t type what her response was. She did say it’s the old “I’m not a racist because I have friends who are.” I work with poor and disadvantaged people on a daily basis and I also work with abused women. Spanking is teaching children to use violence as a way to release their anger and frustrations.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Meridith,
You have made valid points, don’t bother with Rainlille, she won’t ever get it. She’s very narrow minded.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Alisha,
How is I’m the narrow minded one for telling her not to generalize about other people? You’re right, I don’t accept bigotry or racism from anyone.
October 1st, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Thanks Alisha. *sigh* I’m really done. Most blogs like this have the capability of expanding minds with different perspectives, but with people like rainlillie, all you can do is sigh. On to the next topic!
October 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Hey rainlillie,
I see you are also a troll, and quite the busy one. All you do is post the left-wing talking points about bush lying, blah blah blah blah.
You guys are just like your leader..Cowardly little pricks!!
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/111833.php
http://www.unboundedition.com/content/view/2262/
(this is an ironic link considering this thread - the subject is Whoopi and her “generalization” of southerners history with fighting dogs which rainlillie defends as free speech.)
Rainlillie didn’t like me pointing out rosie is suffering some emotional trauma, yet she points out that nicole richie’s life is unstable.
“Her life is already unstable, now she’s bring a baby into the world…Not cool.”
http://www.mediatakeout.com/9901/nicole_richies_belly_is_showing_-_and_her_hoo_haas_are_growing.html
http://newsbusters.org/user/rainlillie/track
http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22154
Let’s not forget your bush bashing on TMZ.com in non-political related threads.
“Reply to a MoveOn.org all emotion person (”rainlillie”) who strayed onto a conservative Web site defending Rosie O’Donnell as being the “truly intelligent one” in foreign affairs.”
http://www.midtec.com/repbiz/
“Yet, because the leader of the country holding them made it legal to torture, America won’t be able to do a damn thing about it.”
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84004
#41 I’ve seen Ms. Malkin on TV and I found her to be crass and self-loathing. Has she forgotten that her ancestors were once discriminated against?
#50 “My blog, my rules. If you can’t follow instructions, I suggest you move along to the other millions of blogs out there. - Admin”
Obviously rainlillie had her post deleted because she wasn’t able to express herself in a civilized way.
feed://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/10/11/how-much-blame-goes-to-blanco/feed/
October 1st, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Wow, to spank or not to spank? This is truly a “Hot Topic”. Sorry, Stacee.
I used the word “hot” again.
October 1st, 2007 at 8:52 pm
You fought the good fight Meredith. Hopefully the next topic won’t elicit such hateful feelings and closed minds. Seriously, people, we could all do a little less talking and a little more listening. REALLY LISTENING, not just hearing what you want to hear.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:27 pm
I’ve been put in my place. My trolling skills are nowhere near those of rainlillie. On a thread about rosie leaving “the view” she injected her hate bush rhetoric into a non-political thread.
Not only that…
She posted like a mad woman, these times are all on ONE thread on ONE blog.
10:32, 10:46, 10:58, 12:20, 12:24, 12:53, 12:56, 1:00, 1:08, 1:13, 1:56, 2:01, 2:09, 2:15, 2:19, 2:21, 2:24, 2:26, 4:15, 5:20, 5:31, 5:42
http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/22/rosie-get-me-outta-here-stat/2#comments
The best coment on the thread, “As far as rainlillie, I think recess was over and she had to get back to class.”
You know rainlillie, a troll like me could learn a lot from a troll like you. For one, I have obligations in life, job, family, etc. How do you get around those annoyances?
Posting the same message over and over worked wonders, the other readers hated you for it. I’m going to start using your trick.
Your use of incoherent ranting and hatred was also stunning effective. Another trick of yours I am going to utilize.
Thanks for the help!!
Let me return the favor, stay out of the prediction business. Instead of being cancelled the ratings are up.
#171 “The View was on its way out before Rosie joined. Now it’s sure to be canceled.”
http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/22/rosie-get-me-outta-here-stat/12#comments
October 1st, 2007 at 10:08 pm
I see some people here are posting under more than one name.
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 am
Brandon Wolner,
Are you stalking rainlillie? Seriously, how much time are you going to invest in your crusade? So you guys don’t agree…big deal. Let it go. How is any of this productive?
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Since it was I and not rainlillie who called the Troll a Troll, I felt an obligation to speak up about it. The Troll’s response and trashing of rainlillie speaks for itself and makes my case. There is a HUGE difference between people who come onto sites and comment with good intentions and, at times, get into arguments and an Internet Troll whose goal is to start a fight. Rainlillie (or anyone else here) who talks about politics in a thread that isn’t about politics is not an Internet Troll. As we all know, these threads about The View weave in and out of politics all the time. I suggested in my first posting about the Troll that people Google the Troll’s name & they’d see for themselves what I was talking about. The Troll’s subsequent posts about rainlillie sound mentally unstable. It’s just been my observation that if you feed a Troll, it gets hungrier and hungrier. I don’t plan to respond or take any bait, and will no longer even read the posts. Just my two cents. Surely everyone or most everyone knows I am not talking about any normal person who visits sites and comments. The Troll is a completely different situation.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 am
“I don’t plan to respond or take any bait, and will no longer even read the posts.”
Good advice, and I plan on following it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:24 am
Good now lets get back to the business of remarking what a putz EH is. I’ve been agreeing with rainlillie and peaches all along and feel it’s best to ignore people who want to get folks all fumed up. (Is fumed a word?)Give ‘em heck, Whoopie!