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Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 8:56 am
This really bothers me, and I didnt have any other place to vent so I cam here.

I saw this video when I went to Crooks and Liars.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/katrinas-wake-white-neighborhood-mil

A.C. Thompson has a devastating piece in The Nation this week describing the all-white militia that took up arms to defend one of the few neighborhoods in New Orleans to stay dry after Hurricane Katrina broke the levees in 2005:

These people murdered and wounded innocent people because of their skin color. They were worried that they MIGHT BE LOOTERS. In reality, people had to walk through this neighborhood to get to the bus station to be taken to Houston.

All of these years later and nothing has been done, nothing will be done, and the racists will get away with murder…. again.

I actually was under the illusion, that killing someone for the color of their skin wouldnt be justified any longer…. welcome to the 50s America.

It is a shameful day in America.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch Caroline Kennedy!

NEW YORK POST

500M PROBLEMS FOR MADAME SECRETARY

NOW that Bill Clinton has released the list of his 205,000 donors who have given close to $500 million to his library and foundation, it is clear why he resisted releasing the list while his wife was running for president.

Bubba Sheik-ing the Money Tree

Contractor Gifts Could Put Hillary in Blackwater

Bill’s Pals Are Hillary’s Problems

Now, compelled by the Obama transition team to make it public as a condition of his wife’s appointment as secretary of state, it becomes clear that the list is a virtual encyclopedia of conflicts of interest for the husband of a senator - to say nothing of the husband of an incoming secretary of state.

Particularly troubling are the massive donations from Arab governments in the Middle East.

Pardon us for looking such generous gift horses in the mouth, but it is hard to imagine so many governments, monarchs and businessmen in the Middle East giving money unless it was with some hope of a political return. Will that return now come with the appointment of Sen. Clinton as secretary of state?

How can Hillary Rodham Clinton mediate and negotiate conflicts in the Middle East impartially when her husband’s library and foundation - over which he has total control - have been bankrolled by the very nations with whom she must negotiate?

The list reveals another key center of conflicts of interest in Kazakhstan, the former Soviet republic, now home to some of the world’s greatest mineral deposits and ruled by a corrupt dictator, Nursultan Nazarbayev, who, according to The New York Times, has all but quashed political dissent.

Bill Clinton visited Kazakhstan and met with its president on Sept. 6, 2005, accompanied by Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra.

Soon after, Giustra was awarded a highly lucrative contract to mine uranium there. Now, lo and behold, Frank Giustra turns up having given the library and foundation between $10 million and $25 million and the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative of Canada gave $1 million to $5 million more.

And Clinton got $1 million to $5 million from Lakshmi Mittal, the fourth-wealthiest person on the Forbes billionaire list and a member of the Foreign Investment Council in Kazakhstan.

In addition, Clinton further fished in troubled waters by taking $1 million to $5 million from Victor Pinchuk, the son-in-law of the controversial former president of the Ukraine.

Given the complexities of US policy toward the former Soviet republics in Central Asia, it is hard to see how this massive and incestuous relationship cannot but complicate Hillary’s independence.

One of the largest donors to the library and foundation was UNITAID, an international organization largely controlled by France, which donated more than $25 million. And the conflicts of interest are not all just foreign. Corporate bailout recipients and recipient wannabes donated to the Clinton fund. They include AIG, Lehman, Merrill, the Citi Foundation and General Motors.

And, almost as an afterthought, the list reveals a donation of at least $250,000 from Denise Rich, presumably in return for her ex-husband’s presidential pardon.

How could a US senator possibly serve dispassionately while her husband was collecting money from these donors on this kind of scale? And how could we have almost elected a president without realizing these conflicts existed? And how on earth can a secretary of state function with these conflicts hanging over her head?

New York Post
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:11 am
CABLE NEWS RACE
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Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:12 am
LOVE THAT FOX NEWS!!!!
Diane Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Yo Patty:

Just add up the top numbers of Fox viewers, and what do you get ?

All the same people that voted President “Shrub” in twice. Hmmm. They sure all knew what they were doing, didn’t they ? Real intelligent crowd.

O’Reilley = Loofah-gate/ Andrea Mackris.

Google that one for laughs.
mibi Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:20 am
#1 roger
my firend from lousinana told me about this and the strain it added.People from there that i know tell me the crazy stories ( they are off the chain there sometimes) so nothing about the thing people do in lousinana suprises me. well acutally the lousiana kkk suporting obama(1/2 white) because at lease he is not woman did surprise me.( not sure if this was just during the primary or not)

on another note happy holidays, chirstmas . hunakkah, winter solstace, new year to everyone.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:21 am
THE HILL

With economy in shambles, Congress gets a raise
By Jordy Yager
Posted: 12/17/08 05:41 PM [ET]
A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.

Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

Currently the average lawmaker makes $169,300 a year, with leadership making slightly more. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) makes $217,400, while the minority and majority leaders in the House and Senate make $188,100.

THE HILL
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Diane

Larry Sinclair and Vera Baker

Google that one for laughs.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Maureen: My exact thoughts:

Maureen Cachione Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
So, is #3 and #4 totally allowed? Looks like it. Ok, then, open field from now on.
ShannonP Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Roger, that documentary they talk about is on YouTube.
That kind of stuff is so foreign to me. I’ve never been off the west coast and I just haven’t experienced anything like that so when I see something so insane, it shocks me that there are people like that out there.
Diane Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:23 am
MCDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy’s serve more people annually than the best 4 star restaurants…does that make their food better???
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Larry Sinclair gave a press conference Wednesday and was promptly arrested by Washington, D.C. police.

HuffPo: The event began less than auspiciously for Mr. Sinclair — who has gained Internet notoriety by spreading wild accusations regarding gay sex, drugs and possible murder committed by Barack Obama — as National Press Club staff took pains to remove the association’s logo from behind the podium where Sinclair was set to speak. (Politico’s Ben Smith today detailed Sinclair’s “27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit.”)

Of course, the club had made clear for some time that it should not be viewed as endorsing Mr. Sinclair’s claims simply for having agreed to host his mind-numbingly preposterous litany — heavens, no! All that could be said for the institution was that it was happy to rent out its space to anyone who might be willing to pay in order to switch on the microphone.

And pay Sinclair did — for the venue and its microphone, as well as for a kilted lawyer (with a suspended license) named Montgomery Blair Sibley, who informed those assembled that his preferences in dress were arrived at as a way to secure comfort for his unusually large sexual organs. “I don’t know why men wear pants,” he said with a poker face. “It’s a function of male genitalia. If you’re size normal or smaller, you’re probably comfortable with [pants]. … Those at the other end of the spectrum find them quite confining.”

“I asked him to wear a suit and tie,” Mr. Sinclair said ruefully. Then, he admitted to suffering from a brain tumor.

Press Conference Video and Article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/obama-accuser-larry-sincl_n_107900.html
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Diane
Diane Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Kelly - right back at ya.
marthe Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Huffpo is also reporting that the mother of Bristol Palin’s babymaker has been arrested on drug charges.

The New York Daily News has an article about Caroline K’s spotty voting record.

Dumbya was on tv today about the auto deal. One of the things that infuriates me about him is his condescending attitude when you know he is the stupidest person in the room. Which is what annoys me about bitsy.

Joy was correct that Adolphe Menjou was a collaborator in the communist witch hunt.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I thought Gov. Palin was no longer a threat to the demos???
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Draft Dodgers: Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Rove

Huffington Post:
Arianna Huffington

…In interviews this week with ABC and the Washington Times, Cheney has been a portrait in unabashed unrepentance.

Looking back over the debacle-filled landscape of the last eight years, Cheney sees little to feel bad about.

Asked if he has regrets, Cheney says, “Not a lot at this stage.”

Does he feel the “enhanced interrogation techniques” used against “high-value” prisoners went too far? “I don’t.” Does he think the use of waterboarding was appropriate? “I do.” Bush says his biggest regret was the bad intel on WMD. Would Cheney agree? “No, I wouldn’t.” Rove says if the intel had been better, we probably wouldn’t have gone to war with Iraq. Would Cheney agree? “I disagree with that…we made the right decision in spite of the fact that the original NIE was off in some of its major judgments.”

…Cheney…when pressed on the Bush administration’s use of torture. “I feel very good about what we did,” he said. “I think it was the right thing to do.”

Waterboarding, stress positions, hooding, and prolonged sleep deprivation are not torture because, well, because the vice president says they are not (and was able to strong-arm the Justice Department into agreeing). “I don’t believe it was torture,” Cheney said. “I thought the techniques were reasonable.”

Reasonable? Remember, these are techniques originally used to train American soldiers how to resist abusive interrogations by enemies who refuse to follow the Geneva Conventions.

…Or as Gen. David Petraeus put it: “What sets us apart from our enemies in this fight… is how we behave. In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect.”

And Alberto Mora, the former Navy general counsel, told Levin’s committee that “there are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq — as judged by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters into combat — are, respectively, the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo.”

But Cheney utterly refuses to consider the cost to our national security - and to our moral authority in the world — that his approach has exacted. Indeed, he defends it as “moral” and “ethical.” “I think it would have been unethical or immoral for us not to do everything we could in order to protect the nation.”

Cheney, of course, has no problem making stuff up - including stuff about the effectiveness of torture: “Did it produce the desired results?,” he asks. “I think it did.”

The Armed Services Committee has another view. Its bipartisan report was highly critical of the information obtained through enhanced interrogation methods, noting that they were similar to Chinese Communist techniques regularly employed to obtain false confessions.

…Cheney, like Bush, like Rumsfeld, like Rove, and like so many of their fellow chickenhawks — have a far more theoretical approach to war and its ravages.

The Bushies have always had a detached response to the human cost of their policies - be it the unwillingness to attend military funerals, the head-in-the-sand treatment of injured veterans, or the fly-over handling of Katrina’s aftermath.

…Cheney’s insistence that he “feels good” about what he has done rings chillingly true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/clint-and-cheney-a-tale-o_b_152199.html
heatherspeaks Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
roger,
great article and i commend you for helping spread the word on the things that went on during the katrina crisis.
most people don’t know or don’t care.
hopefully that will soon change.
racists need a spotlight held on them.
murder charges against those responsible should be a high priority of the justice department.
heatherspeaks Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
larry sinclair= cheap,lying,conman.
vera baker= even cheaper, republican plant.
knowing pat is grasping at straws= priceless.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
“The Bush administration has relentlessly opposed an investigation into the terrorist attacks because it has much to hide.”

Cheney’s brief for war: a mass of lies and historical falsifications

The fact that it was left to Cheney, rather than President Bush, to make the case for a preemptive war against Iraq underscores the real relationship of forces within the administration. It is Cheney who calls the shots. Bush is little more than a front-man, held in well-earned contempt even by those who nominally serve under him.

Cheney resorted to the tactic favored by the Bush administration since September 11, i.e., to deliberately sow fear and panic in the population. He declared, “9/11and its aftermath awakened this nation to danger, to the true ambitions of the global terror network and to the reality that weapons of mass destruction are being sought by determined enemies who would not hesitate to use them against us.”

This incendiary language is calculated, moreover, to undermine any rational appraisal of the September 11 attacks and any effort to investigate them. The Bush administration has relentlessly opposed an investigation into the terrorist attacks because it has much to hide. A serious probe would demonstrate that the government was, at the very least, guilty of criminal negligence, and, more likely, a deliberate stand-down of intelligence and security agencies. It would establish that the Bush administration seized on the events of September 11 to implement war plans that had been drawn up well in advance.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/sep2002/chen-s02.shtml
heatherspeaks Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
kelly,
thank you for the article.
cheney is known for creating “false-flags” as an excuse for war.
he is truly evil.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
QUESTION: What do you all think?

“According to a July poll conducted by Scripps News Service, one-third of Americans think the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen in order to provide a pretext for war in the Middle East.”

CBS NEWS: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/opinion/main2242387.shtml
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
You watch Fox Noise? Oh gosh… Hey have you seen Bill O’Riley’s War on Christmas? What a nut!
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
#23 Jennie–

You watch Fox Noise?

I never miss it….. how can you defend yourself if you dont know what they are saying?

If someone reports something that was said…. if you saw it you know if it is true or not.

Always watch the other side…. thats how u keep one step ahead of them.
rainlillie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I don’t think the government carried out or allowed the attacks to happen. That said, I do think they are guilty of negligence for not beefing up security at the airports and providing the names and photos of some of the guys who were on the planes. Some of them were also on “the watch list.”

The PDDB said Bin Laden determined to attack within USA. Not sure what part of that Bush and Rice didn’t understand.

Now, we must move forward and the next administration must make sure that all our intelligence agencies are in constant communication and on the same page. We must also repair the damage that was done to relationships with our allies.

This is a global fight and we are going to need all the help we can get to protect ourselves and our allies. We have to be smarter and think with clear heads and not strike first and ask questions later. That’s one thing I like about president Obama, he is thoughtful.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Well just FYI I do watch Faux News. BUT only to see what the “other side” is saying. I like to hear both sides and them make my own conclusions. Hannity can always make me laugh. God bless him.

Most shows are too left or too right for me.
Kimberly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Breaking news- Caylee Anthony’s remains have been identified. Such aad case.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
#25 I agree rain - well stated. I also think “that the Bush administration seized on the events of September 11 to implement war plans that had been drawn up well in advance.”

What say you Rog? Didn’t you say you started watching The View when Rosie began talking about 9/11?

Jennie: I don’t watch Fox; it doesn’t come in on my TV (blessing). But I do read from their website occasionally
jaymean Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
“DNA tests confirm remains are Caylee Anthony”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/missing_florida_girl;_ylt=AhFQaiN6.aj4z0XbwVf8RINH2ocA
Stacee Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
#29, oh my goodness. How sad
Sky Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
My heart goes out to the grandparents of Caylee for their loss. I do believe they loved Caylee with all their hearts.

It seems clear to me that it was Casey who caused her daughters death.

I have to wonder if now the grandparents will stop defending their daughter and acknowledge she’s been lying all along. Especially because I think they know the truth, but maybe they just couldn’t accept it.

Either way their family will never be the same again. How sad. RIP Caylee.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I can’t believe the Caylee story. I hope they find out who did this. Poor little girl.

Ok, so I shouldn’t talk about it cause I’ll cry.
rainlillie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
“I also think “that the Bush administration seized on the events of September 11 to implement war plans that had been drawn up well in advance.”

I think so too.

#29. Sad ending to sad story.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I don’t really know what all happened pre 9/11 and I don’t think we will ever know the truth.
rainlillie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Kelly,
Check this out..http://greatmindsthinklikemerainlillie.blogspot.com/2008/06/evil-plan-of-pnac-very-important-update.html
rainlillie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
This link should work:

http://greatmindsthinklikemerainlillie.blogspot.com/2008/06/evil-plan-of-pnac-very-important-update.html
Erika Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Hey Rain!
rainlillie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Erika,

I want to change mayors with you.. LOL! I just read what Sharon wrote on my blog. Whew… I thought it was just me
Erika Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Yeah, Gavin is a hottie and I love his logic too.
Sandy Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I agree with Rainlillie & Kelly. I don’t believe that the government was involved in the planning or allowing of the 9-11 attacks, however they sure as yell used it to promote the war in Iraq among other things.

My heart as well goes out to the family of Caylee. Unbelievable events involved.
Isabel Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
#22
well, I’m Canadian and I do believe the government was behind 9/11. I’m thinking though that Bush wasn’t told a lot, but others like Cheney knew the whole plan.
Just my theory, and no I’m not wacko
There is just too many coincidences.
marthe Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Gavin Newsom is a puppet like bush was.

His administration is top-heavy with 6 figure experts who are really there to tweak his run for governor.

He boinked the wife of one of his best friends.

He tore out the lawn in front of city hall to plant a victory garden. Lots of city playing fields could have used a transplant of nice grass, but I’m sure they just put it into compost. Then he paid $3000/week for security guards to guard the garden. Meanwhile rank and file workers are getting laid off.

After getting married in Montana, he spent part of his honeymoon in Zanzibar, where homosexual sex is a crime.

Before he got married again, though, I thought he would have been great on the tv show The Bachelor. Just for the glamourous date opportunities. On this group date, all the gals join the annual homeless census survey in Golden Gate Park. Or the annual Ocean Beach trash pickup day. Or serving meals to the poor.
berndoubt Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I sort of split the difference on the government conspiracy theories. I think the powers that be, Cheney et al, knew the plan and allowed it to happen to facilitate the invasion of Iraq. I don’t think they could plan it and it carry it out without someone blowing the whistle, but after watching their use of intelligence and how they bent and twisted it to their own purposes, I think they are relying on the “honor and duty” of the intelligence community to keep their secrets. It wouldn’t be a stretch to ask spies and such to keep it quiet, right? I don’t trust Cheney as far as I can throw him, so it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to find out he knew what was planned. It reminds me of the Pearl Harbor invasion, which was allowed to happen so that we could enter World War II, in opposition to the isolationists (conservatives, if my memory of history serves).

Just my two cents…
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Caylee, if love alone could have saved you, you never would have died.

THE SADDEST WORD: GOODBYE

When God calls our children
to dwell with Him above,
We mortals sometimes question
the wisdom of His love.
For no heartache compares with,
the death of one small child.
Who does so much to make our world,
seem so wonderful and mild.
Perhaps God tires of calling
the aged to His fold.
So He picks a rosebud
before it can grow old.
God knows how much we need them,
and so He takes but few.
To make the land of heaven
more beautiful to view.
Believing this is difficult
still somehow we must try.
The saddest word mankind knows
will always be Good-bye.
So when a little child departs,
we who are left behind,
Must realize God loves children.
Angels Are Hard To Find!!

Author unknown
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
#36 Amazing story rain – well done. That motive (American Domination) was reveled in the documentary Bush Family Fortunes: The Best Democracy Money Can Buy…

From IMDB: messiercat from Oregon says:

One thing this production exposes, and it does it very well, is the intricate process of government corruption. Corporate bribery, fixed elections, government policy making, wars of conquest all overlap to benefit the big players. A great way to deflect criticism is to inextricably wrap all this corruption up in a warm and fuzzy flag. Palast says right in the beginning that this isn’t new, it’s just that the Bushes and their cronies have taken it to a new level. Simply amazing that we as a people let them get away with it. Palast stays on topic as the viewer is guided through one machination after another, sort of an album of mob snapshots. The outside world seems only a backdrop, things and people and policies exist only to help the family agenda along. America equals Bushco©, we all live there, we just don’t know it.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
marthe LOL

Thanks Isabel, berndoubt and Sandy. I appreciate your thoughts…and I don’t think you’re wacko at all Isabel. Our government has earned its reputation and I am more than sorry for that. I am racked with grief for all the children of Iraq, who died, or who live without a parent, a home, or a limb.

“When the rich wage war, it’s the poor who die”… and children pay with their lives.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
#22 Kelly–

QUESTION: What do you all think?

All of the “conspiracy theories” that are out there is the reason so many people that our government was behind the attacks, or knew about them in advance. None of those “conspiracy theories” are based on fact, just the famous “what if” The reasons most of the “conspiracy theories” have been published, was to make money.
This is the best site that I have found that debunk 911 “conspiracy theories”

http://www.debunking911.com/

Notice that he doesnt ask for any money… and there is no way to help to “fund” him. (or her) That was actually the most impressive thing about this site.

My thoughts about what happened is this:
Our government helped to keep us safe under Bill Clinton. When Bush came into office, because of idealogical reasons, the Bush Administration “dismissed” the intelligence passed along from the Clinton Administration.

When we were attacked, we were being lead by a group of chickenhawks. They didnt have have any idea how to lead us under stressful military situations. This lead to incompetence. Things like:
–Cheney sending fighters over the Atlantic Ocean “just in case they are going to use over seas flights.
–Bush finishing reading to the children “so the children dont panic” (Bush was actually panicking and didnt know what to do)

These types of things help to fuel the “conspiracy theories”

If I remember right… this “truth movement” actually started as a book of fiction….. after people started reading it, and believing it, they changed it to be factual, and marketed it as truth.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I’d also like to take my hat off to Deep Throat. I have a soft spot in my heart for Whistleblowers, and Mark Felt helped to end the corruption prevalent in his time.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/19/felt-dies.html?ref=rss
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I want to send my condolences out to the family of Caylee Anthony. I hope they are able to find out who killed her and how. I hope that the people responsible receive the punishment that they deserve. Justice is a harsh equalizer, but a needed one.

If it was the mother that killed her child, accident or not, that entire family lost 2 members of their family.

I totally agree with you Kelly (#48) Deep Throat kept quiet all of those years… I am glad that he finally came forward and made it public….. just to put in the “annals of history”.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
How many US Embassies were bombed and what appropriate action did the Clinton administration take?
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
#50 Pat–

I could explain it to you, but it would just fall in deaf ears.

The Bush Administration is “praised” for keeping us safe because we werent attacked within “American’s borders” There were US Embassies attacked after 9/11 but those dont count as “American attacks”

After the attacks on the WTC when Clinton was in office, there were no other attacks within “American’s borders”

Actions were taken during both administrations when there were attacks…. Bush just went overboard and changed the mission.

There is no need to explain it to you further Pat…. u wont believe it anyway.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Pat,

I was living overseas during the Clinton admin and can’t comment on this. All we really heard about was the Lewinsky thing.

Are you saying there was a lack of action?

All I know is that starting a war in a country for “unknown” reasons is wrong. Iraq did not attack us and terrorists are everywhere! Even here in America.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
While Clinton diddled

The record doesn’t lie. The former president had repeated warnings and wake-up calls, but he failed to protect the country against the growing danger of Islamic terrorism.

By Andrew Sullivan

Jan 9, 2002 | To raise the question of former President Bill Clinton’s record on terrorism in the wake of Sept. 11 is to invite a chorus of disapproval. For bringing the subject up, you will be accused of pathological “Clinton hatred,” a vendetta, and so on and so forth. Whatever. Let’s just go to the tape, shall we? What follows is a chronology of Bill Clinton’s response to terrorism, as reported and compiled by major news organizations, in particular the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Sunday Times and the New Yorker. I cite nothing here that isn’t already in the public record. Any defense of Clinton has to deal with these facts. So deal with them.

Clinton got his warning about Islamist terrorism very early on. Almost as soon as he got into office, terrorists struck at the World Trade Center in New York. Six people were killed and hundreds injured. Although the investigation found links to Osama bin Laden and a burgeoning network of Islamist terrorists, no commensurate response from the United States was unearthed by any of the major newspapers investigating the record. Was the danger conveyed to the president? “Clinton was aware of the threat and sometimes he would mention it,” Leon Panetta told the New York Times. The president preferred to focus on the economy. “In retrospect, the wake-up call should have been the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,” Michael Sheehan, counter-terrorism coordinator at the Clinton State Department, conceded to the New York Times. Some immigration laws were tightened marginally. But that was it. Why wasn’t the threat taken more seriously? According to George Stephanopoulos, the White House ignored the implications of the first WTC attack because “it wasn’t a successful bombing.” Clinton never even paid a visit to the site.

If six dead and hundreds more injured were not enough to galvanize the new commander in chief, neither was the murder of 18 American soldiers in Somalia shortly afterward. The State Department confirmed that bin Laden had helped train the terrorists who killed these soldiers and dragged the body of one through the streets of Mogadishu. Clinton did nothing to retaliate after the incident, blamed Gen. Colin Powell privately for the mess and, indeed, according to administration sources, learned from the fracas only the importance of staying out of dangerous foreign entanglements. For his part, bin Laden learned that the United States was not serious about countering the public murder of its own soldiers abroad or civilians at home.

By the end of Clinton’s first term, the government began to stir. The CIA finally set up a special unit to monitor al-Qaida. In the years since 1993, the network had gained traction and organization in its African client state of Sudan. Then the administration got an amazingly lucky break. The Sudanese government offered to hand over bin Laden to the United States, just as it had handed over Carlos the Jackal to the French in 1994. The Sudanese also offered to provide the United States with a massive intelligence file on al-Qaida’s operations in Sudan and around the world. Astonishingly, the Clinton administration turned the offer down. They argued that there was no solid legal proof to indict bin Laden in the United States. This was despite the fact that internal government documents had fingered bin Laden for ties to the first WTC bombing, the murders in Mogadishu and the 1992 bombing of a hotel in Aden, Yemen. For all this, the administration still viewed al-Qaida as a matter for domestic civil and criminal law enforcement. Instead of seizing the terrorist, the administration wanted Saudi Arabia or some other third party to seize him. The Saudis demurred. “In the end they said, ‘Just ask him to leave the country. Just don’t let him go to Somalia,’” a Sudanese negotiator told the Washington Post. “We said he will go to Afghanistan, and they said, ‘Let him.’” The administration didn’t even use the negotiations with the Sudanese to disable bin Laden’s financial assets in the Sudan. He was able to transfer them to his new base, where he used them essentially to buy the Taliban regime.

Within a month, al-Qaida struck again in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American soldiers with a 5,000-pound bomb. Even senior Clinton officials concede that allowing bin Laden to go free was a massive mistake. “Had we been able to roll up bin Laden then, it would have made a significant difference,” a “U.S. government official with responsibilities, then and now, in counterterrorism,” told the Washington Post last October. “We probably never would have seen a Sept. 11.” Read that sentence again: We probably never would have seen a Sept. 11. That’s from someone working in the Clinton administration. (1 of 5 pages)

http://dir.salon.com/story/politics/feature/2002/01/09/clinton/
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Well, it is always easier to but the blame on someone else right?

Pat this could all be very true. Question that follows…Did Bush deal with the passed on problem correctly?

Is it fair to pass this growing problem to Obama and his admin?

I don’t think its the who’s to blame thing that’s the problem. But how we are dealing with it.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
All of the problems that Bush people have pushed blame back to Clinton, will now be able to blame President Obama.

The 8 years of incompetence that we call the Bush era has gone by without any accountability.

All problems have been caused by Clinton’s actions (or inactions) or have been caused by the Democrats.

The Bush policies have not done anything to make America a better country than it was in the 90s…. All of these problems will not be blamed on Bush when President Obama takes power…. it will all be the Democrats fault and problem once again.

President Clinton cleaned up the first Bush mess
President Obama will now clean up the second one.
MiamiVision Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I certainly wouldn’t book all my money on a lot of what Andrew Sullivan says/writes.

Always, always consider the source(s)…and anyway, it’s time to quit the blame-game, ya think?

JMHO-as for 9/11, I believe those conspiracy theories, read up on Skull and Bones, FEMA, and the BIG_PLAN from way back when into the future. Reminds me sort of like the Final Solution, only in this country and going to involve hundreds of thousands. One can always google Fema, Concentration/interment Camps in the USA….

Unfortunately this story (these stories) is(are) YET to be finished in the USA, and I personally hope I’m dead before the chyt REALLY hits the fan!

There are hundreds to thousands of conspiracy theory websites that are not set up merely to make $$. I always look up who owns the website first and that tells me even more.

Merry ChristMAS to all and to all a Good Night!
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
At the same time, during his reelection campaign, Clinton’s chief political advisor, Dick Morris, was worried about the nascent public perception that Clinton was soft on terrorism. He proposed a new initiative — not because it was necessary to protect Americans, but because he feared Clinton’s record on terrorism could be a political liability in the upcoming elections. Morris devised a mock attack ad against Clinton’s anti-terrorist record to try to persuade the president to take the issue more seriously. Here’s how the New York Times described Morris’ pitch:

“‘Out of control. Two airline disasters. One linked to terrorism,’ the advertisement said. ‘F.A.A. asleep at the switch. Terror in Saudi Arabia.’ Mr. Morris said he told Mr. Clinton that he could neutralize such a line of attack by adopting tougher policies on terrorism and airport security. He said his polls had found support for tightening security and confronting terrorists. Voters favored military action against suspected terrorist installations in other countries. They backed a federal takeover of airport screening and even supported deployment of the military inside the United States to fight terrorism.”

Clinton did little that was effective. The 1996 anti-terrorism bill, while modestly helpful, was focused on domestic terrorism after Oklahoma City and was still reactive, not proactive. Its key provisions — enabling the death penalty for terrorist offenses and placing chemical tags in explosives — were very weak weapons for dealing with the real threat, al-Qaida. More was politically unnecessary. Clinton had such a commanding lead over Bob Dole that the difficulties of corralling Congress, browbeating the bureaucracy, or mounting a sustained military campaign against terrorism didn’t seem worth the effort. Notice that he was not actually constrained by public opinion. Morris’ polling had shown such measures would actually have been popular. Instead, Clinton ordered his trusty vice president to chair a commission on airline safety and security. By February 1997, it recommended a whole slew of proposals, including a federalized airline screening service, computer cross-checks for different airlines to vet potential terrorists, and so on. The report was never implemented. If it had been, simple computer checks could have exposed two of the terrorists who boarded American Airlines flights under their own names on Sept. 11.

The Clinton White House also allowed new constraints to be placed on the CIA, forbidding it from hiring or using any undercover agents with dubious or criminal pasts. In fact, for the entire period of Clinton’s presidency, there was not a single undercover agent in Afghanistan who could speak Arabic, a deficiency highlighted by former CIA Middle East specialist Reuel Marc Gerecht in the Atlantic, the Weekly Standard and elsewhere. To make matters worse, even as late as 1997, al-Qaida was not listed as an official terrorist organization by the U.S. government. This, despite the fact that a top-level defector had warned in late 1996 that al-Qaida was planning a direct attack on the United States. No one in the upper reaches of the administration seemed to take his warnings seriously.

In 1998, the gravity of the threat became clearer. The African embassy bombings showed beyond any shadow of a doubt the danger and professionalism of bin Laden’s network. Hundreds were killed on sovereign American soil. Clinton responded not with an overhaul of security and intelligence or a coordinated military strategy to defeat al-Qaida but by lobbing cruise missiles at al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan. In these actions, the president bypassed normal command procedures in a way that clearly suggested he wanted a quick attack to distract from his own impeachment woes, rather than an earnest attempt to cripple al-Qaida. The strikes failed to wound bin Laden, missing him by an hour or so, helped cement al-Qaida’s reputation as an elusive threat capable of attacking the United States and getting away with it, and made Clinton more nervous about taking the offensive in the future. (Page 2)
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
MiamiVision Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
it’s time to quit the blame-game, ya think?

I think the so called “blame-game” started on this site with all the PRESIDENT BUSH bashing that has been taking place. So how about taking your own advice???? I can quit if you can?????
marthe Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Ken “blow job inspector” Starr is co-lead counsel on the prop 8 team and is seeking to rescind the legality of the 18k gay marriages performed in California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/state/n150241S64.DTL
MiamiVision Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
no, you’re much more addicted to this online public game, as evidenced by your manner of posting.

I just live the (my) life of a conspiracy theorist but for my entire life since JFK was shot in 1963 and has nothing to do with this blog or any other blog.

Been a conspiracy theorist now for 45 years and counting….
MiamiVision Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
#59- but of course? Who else has that kind of time for that kind of thing? He went after Clinton’s gonads and for a long long time. He is missing his 30 minutes of fame, evidently.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
To his credit, Clinton approved three subsequent attempts to kill bin Laden, none of which took place because of faulty intelligence (in part a result of the new restrictions placed on the CIA). He also launched an attempt to target al-Qaida’s financial apparatus, but a serious effort to cripple al-Qaida’s finances was shot down by Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, according to anonymous Clinton officials cited in the New Yorker. Rubin allegedly believed it was impossible to isolate the terrorist financial networks without disrupting the markets and spooking international investors. The administration soon became frustrated by the options available. Once the Clinton administration had allowed bin Laden to flee the Sudan and set up a proto-terrorist state in Afghanistan, the options became far more difficult and required far more of a military commitment. Clinton was nervous, especially in his scandal-ridden state, that he could never marshal public support for such an ambitious undertaking. So he hoped it would go away, or that assassination efforts requiring minimal intelligence might work. Clinton’s own State Department terrorism expert, Michael Sheehan, knew that more was necessary — pressure on Pakistan and the Taliban and a broader global offensive against a terrorist network that could operate independently of its leader. But no greater effort was expended. “Our reaction was responsive, almost never proactive,” Sheehan told the Times.

The administration made fitful attempts to maintain surveillance of bin Laden, and Clinton himself pressed for assassination. But intelligence was never good enough, and al-Qaida prospered. Spy planes were sent over Afghanistan, to no avail. Still, home-front security was an option, and the National Commission on Terrorism reported that the United States was dangerously vulnerable. The commission proposed a swath of measures — from immigration to law enforcement to airline security — to ameliorate the terrorist threat. It was prescient enough to have a picture of the World Trade Center on its cover, with crosshairs superimposed over the upper floors. Civil liberties groups whined and the bureaucracies complained. A writer in this magazine described the commission’s warnings of a domestic terrorist attack as “a con job with roughly the veracity of the latest Robert Ludlum novel.” James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, described the commission’s recommendations as reminiscent of “the darkest days of the McCarthy era.” (Full disclosure: In a broader context, I also worried in print about some of the Clinton administration’s record on civil liberties.) Spooked by the opposition, and running low on political capital, the Clinton administration let the proposals die in the Congress. Even the bombing of the USS Cole did not lead to a major bombing campaign of bin Laden’s terrorist camps or a resuscitation of the commission’s proposals. And when at the end of 1999 a terrorist was apprehended bringing vast amounts of explosives into the United States, the sense of urgency didn’t measurably increase.

“That was a wake-up call,” a senior law enforcement officer told the New York Times, “not for law enforcement and intelligence, but for policy makers.”

“If you understood al-Qaida, you knew something was going to happen,” Robert M. Bryant, deputy director of the FBI, told the Times. “You knew they were going to hit us, but you didn’t know where. It just made me sick on Sept. 11. I cried when those towers came down.” (Page 3)
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Hello Maureen,

Yes, all of sudden he’s proud of that name. No one dared say it during the campaign though? Very interesting.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Didn’t you know that President Bush had a remote control and guided those planes into the Towers and the Pentagon? And spent weeks wiring the other buildings and setting the bombs so the buildings would all come tumbling down. And not think anything about the thousands of people that would die on that day. That is all so believable….only by MORONS!
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Next it will be President Bush’s fault in what is happening in the Gov. Blagojevich fiasco. OMG, I’m sure his hands are dirty in this scandal too.
Kelly Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
LOL MiamiVision -

I’ll be reading up on your suggested sites…
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
My exact feelings Maureen. I watched him too on Hannity tonight. So many blog sites are saying the same thing, bho will get the same respect that President Bush was shown for the last 8 years. He will never get my respect and I will be one of his worse critics. He’s already messing up and hasn’t even taken the oath of office yet. Have you noticed when he does all these press conferences (every day), that when he is asked a question, that he goes on and on (probably so he doesn’t have to call on too many reporters) and when finished talking, you ask yourself…WTH did he just say???
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Hehe Pat,

We are also often left wondering the same when Bush talks.

Oh and I don’t think Bush was hated for the last 8 years. He got re-elected! That means most people liked him. Last 4 years tho…
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Instead of sending the 300 lawyers and journalist to Wasilla, they should have been sent to Chicago. These were the politicians that needed to be vetted including bho. It’s very hard to trust and vote for someone who you know nothing about, and the media kept covering for him and only reporting things that favored bho. Besides, anyone that gives Chris M. a tingle down his leg, has to make you step back and say “whoa”!
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
If I am not mistaken the same was done to Obama. Oh believe me there were many negative things said about the president elect also.

The tingle down the leg thing sounds like a medical problem and should be checked by a doctor.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Again Maureen, you hit the nail on the head! That was great, “he’s taking them all to Washington with him”!

Is that what Rev. Wright meant when he said,
“the chickens are coming home to roost”?
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
I think good ole boy Rev. Wright must have been hurt that he wasn’t asked to give the prayer. I think he was counting on it. He’s not going to be too happy next Sunday when he gives his sermon. He will be doing some “trash talkin” then.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Everyone thinks Rev Wright is a nut case.

I do have a question…why does there even have to be a priest at the ceremony?

Separation of church and state?
diamondlil Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
#80
Not everyone thinks he’s a nut case…BO sat in his church for 20 years
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Hey diamondlil…nice to see ya! Missed you.
diamondlil Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
#83
I must have said something wrong cause one of the little pouters on the blog went crying to Winnie. Strange, They can ridicule, and laugh to scorn, the white Christian all they want and nothing is said. But say any little thing, even in humor, about a black, an Arab, or a gay and they are all over it demanding apologies and alms. They can use the “F” word and nothing is said…they can bash our president and nothing is said..Where is the justification?
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Looks like Pat and her Pips are here!!!

Wonder where Kelly and the Kool-aid drinkers are.
diamondlil Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I think they are once again in their private room…digging into our personal lives and exposing information about some of the posters…like they did with one whom shall remain nameless.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
That is so true…I also stayed away for awhile because what happened to Diane10. She questioned Rain about how she knew some personal stuff about her. I was concerned that our privacy on this site had been violated. Of course, the threads quickly got deleted, but I haven’t seen Diane10 on much after that.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Wow! You guys sound just like EH right now.

I am always down for a good debate but I don’t like name calling or foul language…from either side.

If you have a problem with blacks, gays, and arabs then maybe you shouldn’t be talking on a public forum. Just saying…..

We all joke around at times but we must keep in mind that not everyone thinks the same way and could be offended.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Well said Maureen.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Hey Jennie…go read some of the archives and maybe you will understand where this is all coming from…just a thought.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
So right Maureen…found that out. No more clicking on sites…believe me!!!!
diamondlil Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
One thing is a given on these blogs….if you’re not in the tank with BO, you might as well be EH cause you’re going to get bashed big time
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
If they want to email me, it will just go to “JUNK MAIL” anyway…exactly where they belong!
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
There is only one opinion on this site….I mean day after day the same old thing…bash EH, her hair, her clothes, her husband , being a poor mother on and on…over and over again…you’d think they would get bored agreeing with one another thread after thread. If she was a democrat, then she would be “Queen for the Day”.
Jennie Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Ok so I did like you said. And thank you !Now I see all the wonderful drama I missed.
You ladies have a wonderful evening.
kaytee Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
OMG, what happened to this site? Such hate!
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I know kaytee….everyday the hate towards EH is just amazing isn’t it?
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Yes, their darling Rosie got shut down by EH, and they just couldn’t handle that. And until they get EH fired, they won’t be happy. I just wonder what they will do if that happens….who will be next???
kaytee Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
I’m not too fond of EH, Bush, or Cheney either, and the nasty dripping from this board is aimed at anyone who doesn’t see eye to eye with them.
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I read that once…OMG…putting that madcow on the view would be a treat for sure? I cannot take her at all…..what a waste of air!
Pat Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
It was very sad when the Bush Haters laughed at President Bush when he got the shoes thrown at him. How anti-American is that???That was very disgraceful. When do Americans ever think it is funny when our President of the United States of America is treated by someone from another country with such disrespect. That was a very sad day for our country. What are we doing to AMERICA?
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Great words Maureen…LEAVE IT! There were a few Hollywood peeps that said they were going to if President Bush was re-elected…but they are still here. Maybe they left and came back after they found out what a great country we live in, huh?
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Support a man they know very little about, who has no experience what so ever, has hidden so much of his past…and is married to a woman who was never proud of this country. This is who they elected?
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Well, it’s beginning to sound like the honeymoon is over. Some of the media are finding that out now…a little too late…which serves them right. Dare not ask a question he doesn’t want to answer at press conferences….he’s in for a rude awakening if he thinks he’s going to treat the press with such rudeness. Teleprompters don’t work there.
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Good night to you both…be seeing you.
marthe Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Levi Johnston’s mom arrest was for the rethug Limbaughian drug of choice oxycontin.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:45 am
#64 Maureen–

Pat, great posts! You put a lot of work into it. You speak for me, girl! Thanks.

what work does she put into it? she finds someone that is bashing a democrat, copies and pastes it…. she makes no comments of her own, she doesnt cite her sources.

she is basically, a waste of time.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:58 am
#116 marthe–

Levi Johnston’s mom arrest was for the rethug Limbaughian drug of choice oxycontin.

I wouldnt be surprised if she wasnt Sarah Palin’s son’s supplier. That is why he had to go to the Army, because of his arrest for drug use/possession.
I know that Sarah’s daughter knew about it…. probably used right along with the rest of them… probably did while she was pregnant as well.
“Impressive” family.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Maureen Cachione, Pat, diamondlil–

No one on here is bashed for their views…. they are bashed for their hate. If you dont want to be called out on your lies and hate…. then dont lie and done spew hate. you think that you are disagreed with because you are a republican…. nothing could be further from the truth…. if you were a staunch democrat and acted like you do now…. I would call you out on it just as much.

You complain about this site, complain about the people that post on it…. why dont you take your own advice….. you told us to leave America if we dont agree with President Bush…. wouldnt it just be easier for you if you left here if we make u that unhappy?

This isnt a hate site… the is an intellectual site…. it isnt a democrat site or even a political site… it is a site where people that enjoy The View can come and discuss.

I tried being nice to you all, but you dont want to be treated respectfully, if u were then you would have to be respectful as well. Pat, you have said many times that you dont respect the people here… you dont respect our new President…. you dont respect any Democrats…… because of that I have just 2 things to tell you….

1 YOU LOST….. republicans have ruined our country and it will take a democrat like President Barack Obama to fix it.
2 Think of the children…. if you spew hate then you will get hate filled children…. and they will grow up to be like you and the people in the video in my first post of the day… Post 1 of this thread

Watch that video… I wouldnt be suprised if you fit right in with the racist criminals in that video…. I know you sound just like them when you type in here.
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Oh dear rog…you do have a way with words don’t you? First, I do list my source, but evidently you are too blind to see. Facts scare the heck out of you. You want to ask all the questions, but avoid answering the ones that are put to you…probably because you can’t google fast enough to find the answer. I have several posts that are my own words…in fact, I think Kelly is the “cut and paste queen” on this site.

And your “think of the children” comment is getting old….maybe you should have some so you will know what is going on!

Finally dear rog, we didn’t lose….AMERICA LOST!!!! And each day it is ringing to be more true. (no, I won’t watch any of your suggested videos) Now go get a room and do what you do best!
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 8:45 am
But in July 2000, Clinton’s famous luck helped him again. A major donor to his campaign, Mansoor Ijaz, approached the administration with an offer from a Gulf state to help apprehend bin Laden. The deal was designed to be unofficial, according to the Sunday Times of London, which retrieved e-mail copies of some of the negotiations. The Clinton administration went directly to the United Arab Emirates to confirm the offer. The UAE, upset that the secrecy of the operation had been violated, denied that there was an offer. Subsequently, according to the Sunday Times, “a third more mysterious offer to help came from the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia, then led by Prince Turki al-Faisal, according to Washington sources. Details of the offer are still unclear although, by one account, Turki offered to help to place a tracking device in the luggage of bin Laden’s mother, who was seeking to make a trip to Afghanistan to see her son. The CIA did not take up the offer.” This final inconclusive offer represented the third chance that the Clinton administration had to apprehend bin Laden. The final two offers were certainly less promising than the 1996 Sudan opportunity. But given how dangerous bin Laden had become, it is astonishing that more effort wasn’t made to clinch the deals.

There have been, of course, several spirited attempts to exonerate the record of Bill Clinton. The record of the new Bush administration surely wasn’t much better. But at least by the summer, the new president had ordered up a new strategy for dealing with al-Qaida that was more ambitious than “swatting at flies,” as Bush described the previous strategy. The proposal for a real campaign was to reach the new president’s desk Sept. 10. It was too late. But it remains a fact that the new administration had devised in eight months a strategy that Bill Clinton had delayed for eight years.

There are other mitigating arguments made in Clinton’s defense. The first is that hindsight is easy and that no one realized the extent of the threat until Sept. 11. This is simply untrue. Government report after report warned of serious vulnerabilities. Bombing after bombing by bin Laden showed his capabilities. As early as 1993, the press was full of warning signs. Here’s one: “The crater beneath the World Trade Center and the uncovering of a plot to set off more gigantic bombs and to assassinate leading political figures have shown Americans how brutal these Islamic extremists can be,” wrote Salman Rushdie in the New York Times after the first WTC bombing. By 1998, the punditocracy was full of prescience. Here’s Jim Hoagland in the Washington Post after the cruise missile attacks in response to the embassy bombings: “There are troubling signs that this president could once again stage a pinprick raid, announce the problem solved and turn back to his own domestic and personal preoccupations. A single night of missile strikes against remote desert sites will not leave America’s self-declared enemies off balance for long.” That, of course, is exactly what Bill Clinton did.

Here’s Paul Bremer in the Post in August 1998: “The ideology of such groups makes them impervious to political or diplomatic pressures … We cannot seek a political solution with them.” He then proposed the following: “Defend ourselves. Beef up security around potential targets here and abroad … Attack the enemy. Keep up the pressure on terrorist groups. Show that we can be as systematic and relentless as they are. Crush bin Laden’s operations by pressure and disruption. The U.S. government further should announce a large reward for bin Laden’s capture — dead or alive.” Whatever excuses the Clintonites can make, they cannot argue that the threat wasn’t clear, that the solution wasn’t proposed, that a strategy for success hadn’t been outlined. Everything necessary to prevent Sept. 11 had been proposed in private and in public, in government reports and on op-ed pages, for eight long years. The Clinton administration simply refused to do anything serious about the threat. (Page 4)

Source listed above.
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Others have argued that Clinton was being persecuted by the Republicans and so was unable to function properly as president when the al-Qaida threat was looming. This, of course, has an element of truth to it. Some (but not all) of the attacks on Clinton were unwarranted and extreme in the period from January 1998 onward. But that still doesn’t excuse Clinton’s negligence up until 1998, the period of the most serious failures, when al-Qaida was most vulnerable to disruption. And it assumes, as all such Clinton defenses assume, that the president could have done nothing about the scandal. This is a false assumption. A president who put his country ahead of himself would have settled the Paula Jones suit. He would have realized that the presidency is not a part-time job, and that it is more important to be free to tackle vital matters of state than to avoid the humiliation of a settled sexual harassment suit. A responsible president puts his constitutional duties first, the most important of which is the protection of American citizens from attacks by foreign entities. By fighting the Jones suit to the bitter end, by lying under oath and adopting brutal political warfare to defend himself, the president essentially put his own interests above the nation’s. At the time, many of us believed we were simply lucky to have such a scandal in what we saw as peaceful times. We were wrong. While Clinton was defending himself, al-Qaida was girding to attack a defenseless nation.

Was Clinton the only one to blame? Surely not. Plenty of bureaucrats put their own petty turf wars before a successful anti-terrorist strategy. Others responsible include a hostile Congress, an inept FBI and CIA, and a general public insouciance toward a threat that few took seriously. But none of this exculpates the commander in chief. It is his job to warn the country of danger. It is his job to bang bureaucratic heads together to avoid a national security disaster. Again, it is simply not true that the public would have balked at serious measures to deal with terrorism if the president had taken the initiative. Dick Morris’ own polls showed this. And Clinton had seen those polls in his first term. Indeed, Clinton had all the information he needed and all the authority he needed and all the luck he needed to do what had to be done. And he didn’t do it.

No objective review of the Clinton administration’s record on terrorism can escape this simple conclusion. The bulk of the domestic responsibility for the security and intelligence failures that led to Sept. 11 must be laid at the feet of the commander in chief for the bulk of the previous eight years. No, he was not responsible for Sept. 11. Full responsibility lies with al-Qaida. But he was more responsible than anyone for the gaping holes in national security and intelligence that made Sept. 11 possible. The buck must stop with him — this time. The most damning verdict is in the words of a “senior Clinton official” who said the following to Joe Klein of the New Yorker: “Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defense than any other president in recent memory. He could learn an issue very quickly, but he wasn’t very interested in getting his hands dirty with detail work. His style was procrastination, seeing where everyone was, before taking action. This was truer in his first term than in his second, but even when he began to pay attention he was severely constrained by public opinion and his own unwillingness to take risks.”

In most matters, this kind of caution, wishful thinking and procrastination can be forgiven and even overlooked. In matters of vital national security, it is close to criminal negligence. The Clinton legacy may have many good things in it — economic growth and welfare reform among them. But it must also be revised now to include thousands of casualties in the ashes of ground zero — ordinary people who trusted their president to protect them, and whose president ultimately betrayed that trust.

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Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Thanks bubba for the mess we are in today! All because of the “Devil with the Blue Dress On”!
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Thank you Linda Tripp…but I guess you can’t be called “Deep Throat”…but I think Monica can. Right bubba?
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Pat–

Maybe if Georgie would have met someone like Monica, we wouldnt have the worse economy ever…. we wouldnt be in 2 wars…. we wouldnt be the laughing stock of the entire world.

Its a shame that Laura doesnt take care of him like she should.

Im not suprised that you dont want to watch the video of the racist scum…. no reason for you to see your true self Pat, you remind me of the people in that video.

#120 You want to ask all the questions, but avoid answering the ones that are put to you

Ill answer any question that you put out there… but u dont answer any of the follow ups…. Id love to have a convo with you, but you always bail out…. I cant have a 1 sided convo…. it is just a waste of time
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Roger-
Talk about spewing hate…reread your last couple of posts..Palin’s daughter using drugs, while pregnant…Laura taking care of Gerogie…???? Were you thinking about the children when you so boldly bragged about how many points you made when you threw shoes at the president? Intellectual site you say? It’s a democratic site spewing hate towards President Bush and views/opinions of anyone who doesn’t agree with your views are outcasts. Take your dog and pony show to a blog that allows all views/opinions to be expressed. Bet you wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Yo rog…so if Monica would have been around for President Bush our economy would be glowing….a BJ can do that to a man???? Wow…that’s very interesting…that means bho and Vera Baker will save our country…I am feeling so much better now…thanks for your (not) so intelligent input.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I would be so impressed if you “republicans” actually held George W Bush responsible for his mistakes and lies that have damaged our country.

Even Bush himself has spoken of mistakes and regrets…. All of the criticism that Bush receives, he has earned. All of the hating that you 3 have been doing on President Obama isnt justified…. he hasnt been able to do anything to clean up this mess and already you are hoping that he fails. I dont want President Obama to fail just so Bush will look better in the eyes of history…. if Obama fails, so does the country.

you want to defend Sarah Palin’s daughter? She was involved…. she spent lots of time over there in that drug filled environment. It was her boyfriends house…. you dont think that she knew what was going on? you dont think Palin herself didnt know what was going on? This mother is charged with 6 felonies….. this isnt just a brand new thing…. this had to have been going on for quite a while.

#85 diamondlil–

I must have said something wrong cause one of the little pouters on the blog went crying to Winnie. Strange, They can ridicule, and laugh to scorn, the white Christian all they want and nothing is said.

I doubt anyone “went crying” to Winnie when you were “joking” with the N word…. Im sure she reads her own blog.
I dont know of anyone that “ridicule, and laugh to scorn, the white Christian” Although I do question your sincerity when you claim to be a christian, then use hate filled words and disrespect. That doesnt seem very christian to me. I thought Christianity was all about love…. I dont feel a lot of love coming from you “christians”
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Roger Says:
I dont know of anyone that “ridicule, and laugh to scorn, the white Christian.
Isn’t that what you’re doing to Presdent Bush? Ditto Rog….I don’t feel a lot of love coming from you christians either
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The Palin’s drug drama???? That’s so good dear rog. Let’s talk about bho’s drug problem in college…and he probably is still a user today…watch him sweat when he gives a press conference. I can match you for every Bush bashing you want to throw out there. And I think Palin is now a mute point, but you still see her as a threat to bho…that just tickles me…but not the way it does to Chris M. Oh the next four years are going to be a comic book for sure.
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Rog -
and by the way, I am not a republican
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
rog
and by the way, I am not republican either.
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Ok, Rog-
Let’s come to terms…you and your co-horts cease bashing Bush and we’ll do the same with BO. I agree, Bush made some mistakes, but in the same token, what president hasn’t?I am sure BO will follow suit and make his share also. The next 4 years will tell the story. BO hasn’t even taken the oath yet and he’s already getting flack from the peeps who voted him in.
Diane Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Well, well, well…what have we here on a Saturday afternoon…Go Roger.

Favorite post of the last week was Kelly’s accurate, yet, still too-short LIST OF BUSH/CHENEY SCANDALS MISTAKES AND CRIMES of the 8 years…

Patty, and you wanna debate Clinton’
s mistakes from the 1990’s…? whad-are-u nutz? Classic Rusty Limbaugh and Hannity…when you at a loss to defend Bush - GO BACK TO its Clinton’s fault !!

Now before you argue with this list by pointing out Old Clinton stuff & brand new Obama stuff, how about explaining all the Bush crimes on the below list:

Kelly Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 11:18 am

Sept 11th and the Aug 6th, 2001 P.D.B.
WMDs
Bush and the bin Ladens
Torture in Abu Ghraib
Torture in Guantánamo Bay
CIA leak by the White House
Halliburton
Enron
Hurricane Katrina
Blackwater
Homeland Security Fraud and Profiteers
Selling of America’s Seaports to United Arab Emirates
$700 million illicitly diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq
MemoGate – stealing of strategy memos from Democrats on Capitol Hill
Wiretapping the United Nations
Federal Employees have Sex and Drugs with Big Oil
The Medicare Bribe scandal
Pat Tillman’s death and cover-up
Donald Rumsfeld may have authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.
Google: Dailykos Rumsfeld Rape Iraqi Children
Wall Street Failing
Housing and Mortgage crisis

And my favorite…
Dark Matter: The Energy Task Force
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Pat Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
bho hasn’t even taken office yet and already has a list of scandals:

Rev. Wright
Bill Ayres
Tony Rezko
Gov. Blagojevich
Emanuel, Rahm (21 contacts with Blago)
Eric Holder (hired by Blago)
Bill Clinton (Foreign Donations/Monica)
Aunt Zeituni Onyango (illegal alien)
Vera Baker
Larry Sinclair

more developing……

“source by Patty” (rog-wink wink)
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
#129 diamondlil–

Roger Says:
I dont know of anyone that “ridicule, and laugh to scorn, the white Christian.
Isn’t that what you’re doing to Presdent Bush?

Like I have said many times, Bush has earned any criticism that he receives, not because he is white…. not because he says he is a christian….. but because he has lied to us… because he has called anyone that disagrees with him a coward, treasonous, and unamerican.

The color of his skin, and his religious beliefs have nothing to do with his criticism.
Carol Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
And again I ask - why are you so afraid of someone’s middle name?
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Roger -
The only thing you can talk about that’s makes any sense at all is your big bow and shrinkage..What about all the lies BO has told??? See, Rog, you are so biased and can’t see any further than your nose. You keep looking at the future with rose colored glasses…get a grip ole boy, you are in for one big surprise!! Your shrinkage problem will take care of itself.
diamondlil Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
#37
I’m not afraid of his middle name…would rather he would have kept his original name of Barry Sorreto…then he would have been known as BS instead of BO
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
#133 diamondlil–

Let’s come to terms…you and your co-horts cease bashing Bush and we’ll do the same with BO.

ya know diamondlil, I actually believe you. Although I dont believe that pointing out honest things about Bush is bashing him. I dont believe pointing out factual things about President Obama is wrong either. I dont believe that Pat will though…. I view you as a different type of person. A more fair one.

BO hasn’t even taken the oath yet and he’s already getting flack from the peeps who voted him in.

That is exactly my point… if President Obama does something that I disagree with it will be known… When Bush made mistakes or did something that people didnt like, he wasnt criticized by his party. The thing most Bush people dont understand… you can support someone and still disagree with some of his decisions.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
#138 diamondlil–

What about all the lies BO has told??? See, Rog, you are so biased and can’t see any further than your nose.

what lies are you talking about?

The lies that I attribute to Bush are things like the reasons that we went to war…. not things like his past drinking and drug problems.

I hope you arent going to point out “lies” that are just gossip.
berndoubt Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Wow, WTF did I miss? Looks like you had a party and you didn’t invite Winnie’s pet! LOL!
Pat Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Pets are not allowed…they have already destroyed the floor and furniture here. The party was a blast though. The “f” word was not used!
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 9:30 am
I thought Pat wasn’t coming back, can you say “flip flop?” Funny how the other two seem to show up at the same time. They all sound the same and make the same accusations about President Obama. My hope is they are the same person. It would really be tremendously sad, to think that there are others who hold those kind of views.

The majority rejected the Pat’s of the world on November 4. Now Pat can’t deal with it, so he’s on here still spreading lies and twisting facts.
To quote one of my favorite bloggers… “It is a beautiful day in America.”
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Bush and his corrupt administration have tarnished the beauty of America by their actions. On January 20, 2009 we will once again see hope return to our country and the world.

We will hope for what America should be, can be and will be…Again. President Obama has his work cut out for him, but I’ll “keep encouraged.”
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Maureen -
I hope rain won’t be too disappointed to find out we’re not the same person?
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Don’t you mean EdnaEgan?
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Can’t believe Cheney actually came out and admitted he signed off on torture. I wonder why he’s speaking out now? This is really quite an admission and a terrible thing for this country.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Rain:

It’s just like Jack Nicholson’s scene in A FEW GOOD MEN – Cheney’s arrogance allowed him to boast about his war crimes.

“You want the truth? You CAN’T handle the truth.”

Hey Cheney: Did you order the code Red?
“Damn right I signed off on torture…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopNAI8Pefg
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
EdnaEgan or Maureen Cachione???
Barry Sorreto or Barack Obama????
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Kelly,

That’s a great clip! Cheney doesn’t realize how much his actions have hurt our foreign policy not helped. Then again, he’s doesn’t have go out there on the front lines and fight.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
When Barry Became Barack: Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633

But Obama, after years of trying to fit in himself, decided to reverse that process. The choice is part of his almost lifelong quest for identity and belonging—to figure out who he is, and how he fits into the larger American tapestry. Part black, part white, raised in Hawaii and Indonesia, with family of different religious and spiritual backgrounds—seen by others in ways he didn’t see himself—the young Barry was looking for solid ground.

“It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up,” says Obama.
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Part black, part white, raised in Hawaii and Indonesia………born in Kenya
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Exactly rain.

In the same manner in which small-time crime families watch THE GODFATHER incessantly - Dick Cheney probably has A FEW GOOD MEN on loop.

The difference between Cheney and Nicholson’s character Col. Nathan R. Jessup? Chickenhawk Cheney never served in our armed forces, never spent a day in war, and never witnessed the savagery and bloodshed of friend or foe.

And yet – TrickyDicky Cheney will still have to live with the deaths of millions.

I dedicate this one to Pat and the Pips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ajyixr5Dpw
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 2:41 pm
When Barry Became Barack:

“In the end, he would come to see and accept that he was in an almost unique position as an American—someone who had been part of both the white and the black American “families,” able to view the secret doubts and fears and dreams of both, and to understand them. He could be part of a black world where his pastor and spiritual mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., expressed paranoid fantasies about white conspiracies to spread drugs or HIV, because he understood in his gut the history of racism that stoked those fears. He could, for a time, shrug off Wright’s more incendiary views, in part because he knew that whites, in their private worlds, often expressed or shrugged off bigotry themselves, partly because of fears that might seem irrational to African-Americans.”
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Days After Claiming U.S. LESS Safe Due To Iraq War, Counterterrorism Chief Suddenly Resigns

Retired Vice Admiral Scott Redd, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, told NBC News this weekend that the U.S. is not “tactically” safer as a result of the Iraq war.

Redd also acknowledged that, over the short term, the Iraq war has created a “giant recruiting tool” for terrorists.

Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/17/scott-redd-ntc/
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Part black, part white, raised in Hawaii and Indonesia………born in Kenya.”

How beautiful! Perhaps that’s why he understands and accepts ALL people. Maybe if the the republican extremist had a broader view of people and the world, they too would have a better understanding of others and would be less fearful of the unknown.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“The war in Iraq has emboldened North Korea, which built new nuclear weapons and even tested one before the administration finally went against its own rhetoric, and pursued diplomacy. The war in Iraq has emboldened the Taliban, which has rebuilt its strength since we took our eye off of Afghanistan. Above all, the war in Iraq has emboldened al Qaida, whose recruitment has jumped and whose leadership enjoys a safe haven in Pakistan - a thousand miles from Iraq.” - Barack Obama
http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/obama-us-less-safe-since-iraq-war/2752/
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
“Cheney never served in our armed forces, never spent a day in war, and never witnessed the savagery and bloodshed of friend or foe.”

Well said, Kelly.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Well, except for the 78-year-old man Cheney shot in the face while quail hunting.

None-the-less, he’s STILL a draft dodger who ensured Americans would be at war for years to come in a less safe environment than before the War in Iraq.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I see Kelly and the Kool-aid drinkers are back. Isn’t it strange how they come out of the closet when they see us gone? I guess they are just too busy finding articles to “cut and paste”! Had to scroll through all the BS…BORING.

I just got done reading some great articles on bho. What great threads…so many feel the same about bho and we do here. I love posting on those sites. That Kenya story was very interesting. Poor bho! He is soooo over his head! It’s going to be fun these next four years…unless he is impeached…story developing…….
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
You mean…you don’t…you don’t LIKE me?

Then I’m not playing with you anymore. >:(

Rog – you can sign this letter to Louisiana Governor Jindal and demand an investigation into the racial shootings of unarmed citizens in Algiers Point.

http://www.colorofchange.org/nation/
Diane Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Pat:

You’d have a bit more respect for your postsas an independent and free , original thinker if you stoppped using the right -wing really old cliche’play booklike:

“Kool-aid drinkers”.
Diane Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Pat:

Come on defend Bush. Come on. You can do it.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
She must be out sharpening her teeth.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
#155 Kelly–

I dedicate this one to Pat and the Pips:

Great video Kelly… thanks to rainlillie too
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Uh - Maureen? Have a look at post #63

Don’t you all choke on your hypocrisy at times? Really, how do you type with a straight face?

Defend Bush…
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Cheney Mocks Biden, Defends Rumsfeld in ‘FOX News Sunday’ Interview…what a great interview…and everything what he said about joey boy ( 3-letters=J-O-B-S) was so true. What a nut case he is…heaven forbid if he would ever become pres.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Hello Maureen…partner in crime!!!!!
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Hey Maureen, did you bring them some extra kool-aid for them to drink…I think they are getting thirsty!!!!
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I have a great nog recipe for them, but better not post it….Kelly would start crying to winnie again
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Bushisms:

*I’m the deciderer
*Fool me once…shame on…shame on…you?
*I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family
* Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women…
* They misunderestimated me
* Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?”
* I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
The best words I have heard all day Maureen, and so very true. Just give them time…the history books will tell a great story about President Bush…a very well respected man, who kept our country safe. At least he had the brains and b____s to do something about the attacks…more that bubba who was too busy getting a bj in the oral office.
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pm
#77
What would you expect from BO supporters?
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I read that…if I didn’t ROTFLMAO over that one…see what too much Kool-aid does to you!
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Absolutely pathetic – worst president in history. Worst.

How safe were the victims of 9/11? How safe were our 4,211 brave soldiers killed in Iraq?

How well did Bush treat Cindy Sheehan – mother of a fallen soldier?

You people amaze me.

BLIND LOYALTY IS HOLLOW HONOR
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
uh, uh, ummmm uh ummmm…That’s above my paygrade! I think I will uh uh uh uh vote uh uh present.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Amazing Grace!!! Glad we can amaze you…can you play us a song while you are at it kelly girl!
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Maureen says: Hey, Diamondlil and Pat, we can be “The Three Headed Musketeers”.

Repetitive: You already are.
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I can hardly wait to hear what these liberals are going to say about the ObamaBinBiden administration after 4 years of spreading the wealth
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I can guess, diamondlil, but I don’t want to put words in their mouth….at least not just yet…it will be PRICELESS!!! That’s for sure…
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:21 pm
And you all are someone’s Grandmother?

More like Grand Wizard.

Are you from Louisiana’s Algier’s Point Pat? Never mind – I’ll just ask rain.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Yes, I bet good ole rain can tell you many things….but that’s ok….go ahead and play your sneaky games…don’t bother me at all! Why don’t you just email me and tell me what you think, since privacy is not the game here.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
I think next year they are vacationing in Kenya…got to visit his bro, ya know!!!
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
You all will be the unwilling recipients of the Liberal’s good will:

You will not die from disease because you refused to believe in Global Warming
You will not have to live on the street because we will save the middle class
You will not have to move in with your UNWILLING children because you can’t afford healthcare
You will not have to become a victim of crime because we will provide opportunities for all
You will not have wonder whom on Wall Street stole your retirement because we will stamp out corruption

You will however, have to start thinking for yourselves…and learn to argue without the talking points from FOX.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
#165 Diane–

Pat:

Come on defend Bush. Come on. You can do it.

dont you know Diane… there is no need to defend Bush… it was all Clinton’s fault. As soon as President Obama says I do on Jan 20, 2009. It will all be his fault, no matter what he does.

The right has explained to us all over time that no Republican will be held accountable for anything that they have done. So there is no reason to expect them to start now that they are the minority, and they will probably be for quite a while.

sorry Pat…. you and your crew lost… time to clean up the conservative mess and rebuild America.
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Sounds like Bush has been good to you the last 8 years, Kelly
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
As I said before…America Lost….
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Kelly…do you ever speak your own words??? Quit wearing out google for crying out loud.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
President Obama starting working on his transition team the NIGHT he was elected.

Bush – has spent more than 500 days on vacation.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/pressclips/archives/2008/01/numb_and_number_1.php
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
#97
That’s why he wasn’t able to attend grannie’s funeral????
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
bho will be making plenty of his own mistakes that you won’t beable to blame PRESIDENT BUSH for…and they have already started….story developing…..
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Pat - it would do you some good to try Google. It’s like a LIBRARY - you know, where you can find factual information.

Bush has not been good to any of us Maureen - unless your name is BIG OIL or Halliburton.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Save your websites for yourself kelly girl…we are too smart to click on those. Save the print…please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
No one is taking your make-believe money Maureen. Rush is just trying to get you to buy a gun. Grow up. No one can take your money but Bush. Have you had your eyes open the last few months Maureen OLD GIRL?
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Smart is not the word Pat….again - use the library.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
So true kelly girl…google is where I learned about Larry Sinclair and Vera Baker..very good LIBRARY, where you can find factual information….Amen to that.
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Vice President Biden should be honored that a vile human being like Cheney has a low opinion of him. I’d be worried if Cheney thought highly of our new Vice President. Cheney and Bush have quite a legacy to live with. A new poll said the majority of Americans won’t miss Bush… LOL!
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
#192 Kelly–

Good points…

It must be good to be a conservative…. complain about the left while they clean up the mess left behind…. then take advantage of all the improvements. They will bless Bush while President Obama fixes the messes…. they will use their better lives and give credit to Bush. They will continue their lies and in time will probably be believed again… Give the conservatives power and they will screw us all up again….. Lets just hope it is many years before that happens.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
First, you malcontents didn’t want Barack to visit his ailing grandmother, and now you’re all up in arms over his not attending the public memorial.

Hypocrite –

He and his sister attended a private FAMILY ceremony for their beloved Grandmother.

What happened to defending Bush - what about his bailout of Wall Street? HUH?
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
well hello rain….kelly girl must have called in the troops tonight…welcome. It has to beat hiding in a room talking among yourselves doesn’t it?
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Old people do not intimidate me…especially the uneducated variety.

As a matter of fact - I feel sorry for them.

What a waste of a beautiful life.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I think PRESIDENT BUSH sent some bail out money to Kenya to help bho’s poor bro out so he can live on more than $12. I also heard he is helping out his poor Auntie who is an illegal alien hiding somewhere in Conn.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Maureen –

Put on your spectacles – you have your numbers all wrong again.
rainlillie Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Kelly,

A local woman won an all expense paid trip to Washington, to attend some inauguration activities. My nephews are going too. They’re going to send me pics and I’ll post them on my blog.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Pat – your Confederate Flag is showing again. Where is your decency woman?

So, what about Bush and bin Laden? Where do you suspect his is? The Oval Office?
diamondlil Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
#15
Wow how exciting….that rates right up there with a garlic malt
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Hey Maureen and Diamondlil…a friend of mine won an all expense paid trip to DC to attend some inauguration activities…and he said “Hell No” and disposed of the tickets in the garbage where they belong.

Let’s see should I watch the inauguration or have a root canal….I would gladly suffer through the root canal.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
RAIN - How cool. I can’t wait for you to post them on your site. which out-numbers Rush and every FOX talking head by millions of clicks…even stalker Michelle Malkin and Drudge.
Kelly Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Why don’t you all snowmobile over to Alaska - plenty of Meth - seal clubbing - you can even join the Alaska Independent Party (that is, if you can pass initiation and their ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’). I doubt it.
Roger from Ohio Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Hating President Obama …… BEFORE he gets into office….

Unable to defend George W Bush in any way…..

yep… sounds like a couple of republicans.
Pat Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Oh yeah…good one kelly gir;…4 clicks today already…does she ever get into the double digits before the day is over????

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