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November 20th, 2008 at 6:19 am
“Suffice it to say, the Republican Party is largely comprised of white, married Christians. Anyone watching the two conventions last summer can’t have missed the stark differences: One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.”
Thanks berndoubt for this GREAT link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111802886.html
I remember watching both the RNC and DNC - and trying to find a colored face in the RNC crowd…they cut to the janitor and some black cowboy in a five-gallon hat after the whispers of white elitism began.
November 20th, 2008 at 6:38 am
By 2030, both parties will be largely Latino as the white and black races will be greatly outnumbered. Both will be minority races.
In 2030 and thereafter, it will be hard to find a black OR white face, to use your vernacular, in the crowds.
November 20th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Referenced from the PRB:
Latinos and the Future U.S. Population
Over the last several decades, the racial and ethnic composition of the U.S. population has changed markedly. Minorities are increasing their presence in the United States and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The Latino population is driving these transformations. While today one of every eight residents of the United States is Latino, it is projected that Latinos could account for one of every five residents by 2035, one of every four by 2055, and one of every three by 2100.
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November 20th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Exactly, Carolyn. What I particularly admire about Latino families is that, I am generalizing here, they are family driven, strong Christian based and are a very proud, hard working population. They are to be admired on many levels.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Hi Diane10: I do admire your tenacity.. and you are obviously a thoughtful person. Here’s part of an article by Scott Bidstrup who examines the idea of why gay marriage is opposed by some:
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As George Lakoff, in his excellent book, “Moral Politics” points out, conservatism is based on a “strict father” metaphor of morality, in which a wise father (church or political leader) sets the rules, and the children (the people) are disciplined to comply, thereby gaining self discipline, and with it, autonomy and self-sufficiency. For a complete understanding of this metaphor, refer to Lakoff’s book, but inclusive in that metaphor is a set of moral boundaries established by the “strict father,” who is, in this case, the moral authorities of the church and the political system working in concert. These moral boundaries exist in society, in the conservative’s view, not just to keep people on the straight and narrow path to autonomy and self sufficiency, but primarily to maintain social order and discipline, and that is their primary purpose. Compliance to the established moral boundaries implies acceptance of the legitimacy of the moral authority figures who established them, and it is this acceptance of the legitimacy of this moral authority that is viewed as the very basis of social order. Hence there is a deep investment in the legitimacy of the moral authority, often presumed to be none other than God himself.
Therefore, someone who moves off the sanctioned paths is doing something much more than just acting immorally; he is rejecting the goals of the society in which he lives; he is calling into question the purposes that govern most peoples’ lives, but he is also doing something even much more threatening: By deviating from the standard, ordained “path,” he is showing people that other paths are possible, and that those other paths may not neccessarily be unsafe to tread upon, nor is society harmed by his actions.
By so doing, he calls into question the legitimacy of the moral boundaries he has violated, and hence, the competence and legitimacy of the moral authorities who established them. Since moral boundaries are the very essence of conservative politics, the very basis of conservatism itself is brought under implied threat.
As serious as that is, the threat goes beyond even that: When the “deviant” treads his forbidden path, and not only gets away with it, but ends up living a happy, fulfilled and contented life with no harm done to himself or society, the conservative himself feels cheated, in having observed a set of boundaries which have proven to be unneccessary and arbitrary. And in doing so, he feels cheated of his own freedom of action, even if he had not himself bumped up against those particular boundaries. The conservative thereby feels he is being implicitly invited to abandon those moral boundaries and join the “deviant” in accepting increased freedom by rejecting moral authority. Fear that others may reject these apparently arbitrary moral boundaries, and hence question those who decreed them, and cause society to fall apart, is the reason for the conservatives’ deep paranoia about the mythical “gay recruiting” and the equally mythical “gay agenda.” Hence, conservatives have a deep emotional investment in keeping gays repressed through the maintenance of this particular set of moral boundaries, just as they did in maintaining their moral boundaries underlying racial segregation in the Deep South a generation ago and slavery a century before that.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Carolyn, it is, indeed, an interesting article. However, it is based on one man’s opinion.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am
#5, Carolyn, thanks for the link to the article.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Well, since I’m 1/2 Latino - that’s good to know. Half-white elitist, half-brown future-elitist. Luck of the draw…don’t be jealous Vato!!! I guess that makes me biracial too?
How many 100% Aryans do we have in the house? Are you all biracial?
I’ve heard those numbers for some time…Hispanics account for 25% of births in the US. “Hispanic” is a really broad term – any Spanish-speaking heritage.
It reminds me of the predictions made 15 years ago about the new black majority super race, which never materialized.
I think Latinos will also level off - as more and more families have fewer children…its part of the socioeconomic climb.
#4 I agree. My Mexican grandparents worked like dogs, and worshiped daily. My grandmother (a’ma) had 8 living children, my father had 7 living children, and I have one son. All of my siblings either had no children or no more than 3. First generation – no education. Second generation – limited education and military. Third generation – college educated. What a gift they gave us.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Kelly, I am sincere when I say I admire Latinos. When you described your Mexican grandparents they did, indeed, leave you with a gift. You will leave that same gift to your children. Latinos came to America to live the American dream. They brought their love of family, pride and strong work ethic as well as a desire to make it on their own without a handout or a chip on their shoulders. It proves the theory of “what you put into life is what you get back. If you haven’t sent a ship out….don’t expect one to come in.” My children were raised in that same environment and I am extremely proud of who they are today as young adults. They give back to their community by continuing to sponsor a needy family every year since they graduated from college as we always did when they were at home. Some years we sponsored five families. They run for Breast Cancer research and other organizations they are passionate about. Now my grandchildren visit “soup kitchens” in their area to help feed the needy. It is a defining measure of who they are and I am always proud of the good choices they make for themselves and those in need.
I look forward to what the Latino community brings back to America.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:55 am
As more Hispanics live in the US their “strong” Christian values will decrease. Since most, and I’m not generalizing, are uneducated when they come here. They are manipulated by a religion that thrives on keeping them stupid. Their children will benefit from what America has to offer. Enlightment.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:07 am
#2 diane10–
By 2030, both parties will be largely Latino….
Do you have any views that doesnt start with divisiveness with a little bigot and hate tossed in?
Stop worrying about what you cant control…. in 2030 you probably wont be alive any longer so it wont affect you.
I understand race baiting when I see it…… I watch Faux News too….. but I dont take everything they say as fact, I consider the source and do a little research.
I know facts dont have a part in your life, it is a shame… you could have had a better life.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:17 am
#10 Agree!! Also true in my family!!
November 20th, 2008 at 9:21 am
#5 Carolyn–
Thanks for that posting.
It relates to one of my theories… the Us vs Them…. I always directed it toward the church, but he combined the entire conservative movement… it fits there too.
The more of “them” there are the more power the conservatives wield. The more “them” that can be pointed to that shows how bad “they” are just proves how good “we” are. The more groups of “them” that become accepted, the fewer bad that can be pointed out…… so the bad become part of “us” which makes us bad.
so lets stop the THEM from becoming US
President Obama is one of THEM…. and happily so am I. It is good to be US isnt it *wink*
No wonder they are scared.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Kelly - Diane10 loves her some Hispanic simply because of the Christianity aspect. Don’t tell her about Santeria.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Oh, Roger, dear, calm down. I had a storybook upbringing with a father who fought in Korea and a stay at home mom who went to church every morning. Five of my Dad’s sisters lived on the same street with their military families and all of the cousins grew up together. Can’t get any more apple pie than that. I was also fortunate to receive a full ride on college.
I am not “race baiting” is that what you call it because I admire the Lantino community? You admire the gays. I admire the Latinos. What’s your problem this a.m., Roger?
November 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am
#8 Kelly–
First generation – no education. Second generation – limited education and military. Third generation – college educated.
That actually fits my family as well, and Im not Latino. I guess that is the American dream that everyone talks about. Pretty cool when you step back and think about it.
Thanks Kelly.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am
When you mix us and them you get thus.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am
or um.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:27 am
#9 Great post - I believed your sincerity…that’s just my sense of humor.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:30 am
So, Roger, since you accuse me of ignoring facts. The fact is, black and white people will be an extreme minority in the United States…did you read the article? I’m sorry that those FACTS seem to anger and threaten you.
Gosh, maybe you should publish that helpful theory of its The US vs THEM. Might help a handful of people.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:33 am
#16
Seeing you frame it that way made me tear-up. I never thought of it like that - they gave me the American Dream.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am
#14
ohhhhhhhhhhh
#15 I didn’t get a full ride to college. I paid half and my mother sold her beauty shop for the other half. She later refused my reimbursements after I repaid 1/3. I got my 4-year degree in under 3 years. I can’t imagine the cost today.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Lopez, I do admire the Christian aspect of Lantinos. But, much more importantly, is their strength of family and their ability to come to America not looking for a handout from government. I admire people who “make it happen” for themselves without going around bellyaching that their rights were violated in every conceivable way they can come up with to fit their own inadequacies.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
#23 you are truly a bigoted person. Wow. Though you will act innocent, we can all read between the lines. You are sickening.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:56 am
#15 diane10–
Oh, Roger, dear, calm down. I had a storybook upbringing with a father who fought in Korea and a stay at home mom who went to church every morning
And look how hateful you turned out… Im sorry your family failed you.
The fact is, black and white people will be an extreme minority in the United States…did you read the article? I’m sorry that those FACTS seem to anger and threaten you.
What facts did you present? you gave opinion, and Carolyn gave info that refuted that opinion. (did u read her article?) You didnt cite an article, so no, I didnt read it. Your opinion doesnt anger or threaten me…. you just arent believed. Maybe one of those nice christian ladies out there will pray for you… In my opinion, you are a lost cause.
dont be scared diane10…. prove me wrong… enlighten yourself.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:59 am
I’d love to see Diane10 (who has obviously lived a very sheltered life) come back as a lesbian black woman.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Worst commercial for exercise ever:
Exercise. It keeps Elisabeth Hasselbeck on an even keel.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
wow BW just slammed back- I think at Rosie.
Someone putting down the view for their own publicity that should get on with their life!
November 20th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Roger…I’m a realist and certainly not “scared” to share my views. I don’t hold a picket sign for things I don’t believe in. I think people need to take responsibility for the choices they make for themselves and others. I believe that Thomas Beattie is a joke. I’m also sorry that you can’t handle the truth that black and white Americans will one day be in the extreme minority group. There are articles out there to support it. If you want an article bring it up yourself and don’t be frightened by what you read.
Obviously I am now a “lost cause” because I don’t see things your way. I am not angry. Quite the contrary. I am hopeful for change in what I feel is the right direction. Your direction is left. Mine is right. Notice I don’t call you names or use vulgar language.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:26 am
whoa, whoa, whoa
“I admire people who “make it happen” for themselves without going around bellyaching that their rights were violated in every conceivable way they can come up with to fit their own inadequacies.”
hmm, wonder who she is referring to here, could it be Black folks? whose rights WERE violated in every conceivable way.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am
you ARE being vulgar. you constantly offend sensabilities.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I’m also sorry that you can’t handle the truth that black and white Americans will one day be in the extreme minority group.
I dont understand what you mean by white and black Americans. Im sure if you look back in your heritage, you will find many people of color. Using that knowledge, Im sure “white” is a minority. (if any at all)
Judging any person or group by the color of their skin, is bigoted, trying to go out and disprove your bigoted views, is a waste of time. Thats what makes u a lost cause.
I do worry about your children and grandchildren…. there are lots of proof where children grow up to be bigots because of the bigoted adults that they are surrounded by.
Look at your heritage, Im pretty sure you arent white…. so that kinda disproves your self serving superiority
November 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Notice I didnt call you names or use vulgar language.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:45 am
#30, amen, Lopez.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Please do not worry about my children and grandchildren! They are wonderfully well adjusted young people who were raised in a very positive atmosphere. They are active in issues they truly believe in and don’t hesitate to speak their minds! I communicate with all three on a daily basis even though we all live in different cities. They continue to take responsibility for their choices. Unfortunately not one of them has offered to pay back their college tuition, grad school or law school tuitions. (I’n injecting a bit of humor)but other than that they are good citizens!
I am not a bigot. You and others have been calling me a bigot from day one because I didn’t vote for Obama. By not voting for him, on this thread, equates to one being a bigot. I don’t put people down because of their race. I didn’t raise my family that way.
However, I will always be an advocate for children who have no voice. If it is possible for me to be a bigot because I feel Thomas Beattie is a joke, well, call me a bigot for that, too.
I used the black/white vernacular in Kelly’s article, Roger, as you very well know.
Your problem, Roger, is, if I may be so bold to point it out, that you have absolutely no tolerance for people who disagree with you. Well, 46% of us didn’t vote for Obama and that’s not chump change.
You’ve read my posts that I hope he does a good job in the White House. All eyes are on him to bring some semblance of a solution to our economic issues. I want him to do well. I am an American and I will support my president whether I voted for him or not.
Sorry we cannot agree on anything. I won’t, however, call you a “lost cause.” I actually believe there is hope for you.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Just read what JB said about home schooled children being demented so thought I’d post the website: (comments are great)
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/19/demented-joy-behar-disses-homeschool-students/comment-page-2/#comments
November 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Diane-
I am just wondering if there are other groups that should not raise children at all, or if you simply feel that it is gay people. Also, will it be OK if Christianity is not the majority in this country?
November 20th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I just read some of the posts for the last couple of days, don’t know what has been going on with the view, since it is off my dvr list, but seems like same-o-same-o.
Diane10, I really feel for you, this site reminds me of the view table when they bash EH..if they don’t agree with your opinions. I went through the same thing when they told me that my own children must not be proud of me…pretty cheap shot! But you have to laugh it off. The vulgar comments that were made were disgusting, makes you wonder about what kind of people would say such a thing, kind of like a “heather in LA” wanting to know where she could buy a C__T t-shirt. Just wanted to let you know you are not alone in many of your feelings….hang in there girl….
November 20th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Going back to jb’s comment about home schooled children being demented, too bad Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold weren’t home schooled…we wouldn’t have lost 13 lives and several injured students.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I bet if EH would have made that comment, this site would have been all over it….but if jb said it…it’s just fine…
November 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
#35 I just don’t think I can read any Malkin today….
I didn’t see the show about home schooling, but I’m sure Joy was only referring to the crazy religious-right who isolate their children for fear of socializing them. I did watch Jesus Camp, maybe Joy did too. There is a new breed of domestic terrorist being demented by religion to fight the evils from foreign enemies. And they are using government, Bush, and God to elevate their egos and status.
#5 THANK YOU - I just read that in full.
“By deviating from the standard, ordained ‘path,’ he is showing people that other paths are possible, and that those other paths may not necessarily be unsafe to tread upon, nor is society harmed by his actions.
By so doing, he calls into question the legitimacy of the moral boundaries he has violated, and hence, the competence and legitimacy of the moral authorities who established them. Since moral boundaries are the very essence of conservative politics, the very basis of conservatism itself is brought under implied threat.”
I guess that explains their opposition to Gay Marriage, Black Presidents and Chinese Take-Out!
November 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
#35, I will first say that it is not right for an adult to use their position of authority to make a child feel bad, especially when the child is merely agreeing with their parents. I completely disagree with the behavior of the teacher in the video.
That being said, I am a big fan of public education and not so enamored of home-schooling. As adults, we all have to live among and work with many different people with many differing opinions. It is important to learn to live peacefully together. I think that home-school shortchanges children by keeping them in small, segregated groups which the parents can easily control. I’m not talking about test scores, which may or may not support the success of home-schooling. I think it’s vital to teach children how to get along with each other.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Pat, thank you so much for your very caring words. I call them the “Echo Chamber” for a reason! They don’t seem to have original thoughts and are quick to pull up an article written by one person. Then they pat each other on the back for God knows what reason. They are the new age of no physical interaction between people usually hidden behind a computer or their texting skills. It’s a new generation of lost social skills who derive their power from their key boards.
The vulgar comments are even supported by the “echo chamber” which pretty well spells out the demographics on this thread. When they don’t agree with me, they go for the personal family attacks. It’s an act of frustration and desperation.
Thanks again for your open support. You are a class act…a kindred spirit who is not afraid to voice her opinion. I’m sure they will attack you next for supporting me.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:48 am
And the bho children singing and the young soldiers marching and chanting about bho?? What say you????
November 20th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Correct diane10, we had better watch out…they are trying to get EH fired by emailing the view site…they are probably right now contacting Winnie to remove us too!
November 20th, 2008 at 11:53 am
#38, “Going back to jb’s comment about home schooled children being demented, too bad Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold weren’t home schooled…we wouldn’t have lost 13 lives and several injured students.”
If you will be so bold as to raise this point, then I will be so bold as to respond. I will be very careful to not give any indication that I am excusing the behavior of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. I am not. What they did was wrong in every way. It has reported that they were bullied and were described as outcasts. Perhaps it could have been avoided if they hadn’t been treated badly for being different.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am
#45
kinda like the repubs on this site?
November 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Yes berndoubt…you bash people long enough and make them outcasts, this is what can happen…just like how this site bashed Gov. Palin’s daughter for being pregnant, or saying her father was sexually abusing his daughters….it’s a very cruel world at times.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
It’s kinda funny how when one person gets ganged up on this site, a defender happens to pop up. The internets way of having multi-personality syndrome.
As for Joy’s comments on kid’s who are homeschooled…it’s kind of true in some situations. I think there are different intentions for homeschooling, and some people do it brilliantly and with the right intentions. They see public schools as not offering the education level they want in their kids. But some do it just to shelter their kids and it’s not about education then, it’s about keeping them from the world. Often they are the religious zealots that see public schools as full of evil sin. And those kids brought up in that environment often turn out anti-social and with some major hang-ups.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
#43, I’ve seen the video that I believe you are referencing. It is nine or ten students and if I remember correctly it was a voluntary activity. My son’s high school has a club that gets together to read the bible. If the children go because they want to and it’s not required by the school, then what’s the big deal.
I think that having your personal life put out there is certainly difficult, but you’re comparing apples and oranges here. The two high school students who were bullied had it done to them in person by people they could not avoid in their daily lives. The Palins put themselves and their children out there knowing that there may be some judgments made publicly about their daughter’s condition. They couldn’t have believed that no one would have anything to say about it. Sarah Palin advocated abstinence only education and her daughter is pregnant, indicating that her theory is wrong. There’s a whole different standard for politicians and other public people. Now, enough with the diversion.
You can change the subject as many times as you want, but it will always come back to the matter at hand, which is intolerance. Intolerance breeds anger and contempt. And I find it hilarious that those who won’t accept other people want to be accepted and go to great lengths to point out how badly they are being treated. Sucks, huh?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
IMO, Thomas Beattie is making money off of all his tv appearances and his book…he’s no dummy, just exploiting his lifestyle…sort of like BW with her book.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Exploiting his lifestyle at the expense of his children who will have to deal with all of this one day.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Poke, poke, Pat. Poke, poke.
It’s a beautiful day in America!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
So I guess what John Edwards, Elliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton and many others did put their families out there too so they can be ridiculed too?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
We shall see how beautiful AMERICA will be in the next four years! It already is off to a bad start after the first press conferences…already have to make amends to a previous First Lady. It’s only the beginning….uh uh uh uh..um um um um…better get that teleprompter fired up.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Anyone who is in the public eye runs the risk of having their children put in the spotlight or having them exposed to things that other children would not be exposed to. That should be part of the decision when you are/will be famous… how it affects the children. Many politicians have dealt with issues with their children. But, the problem I had with Sarah Palin was that she used her kids as props when it was advantageous, and then asked the media not to bring them up when it wasn’t. She said she “didn’t even blink” when asked to run, which most mothers I know would have thought about that decision. I am not saying that she should not have run, but should think about the children, and we would assume that she made the best choice for her family.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
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Words by Katharine Lee Bates,
Melody by Samuel Ward
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
It’s a beautiful day in America!
Gays rioting in SF, going into churches, making death threats…stock market crashing, GM asking for a bailout, etc. etc.Yes, It’s a beautiful day in America
November 20th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
But the thing is is that he did make ammends, and aplogized for his comment. No one is perfect, it is how you handle it.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
“We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics…they will only grow louder and more dissonant.
We’ve been asked to pause for a reality check.
We’ve been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.
But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY
November 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Gov. Palin was already in the public eye, so I’m sure her children were all use to that in Alaska, this was just on a bigger scale. So I think her husband and children were very proud of her and supported her all the way.
As for politicians destroying their wives and children due to their curricular activities, I think John Edwards used his wife’s cancer as a way to advance in his career, now he really looks like an _______, (I won’t use the vulgar word.)
November 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
#32 Pat said: “I went through the same thing when they told me that my own children must not be proud of me…pretty cheap shot!”
I said that to you…and I stand by it although I agree it was harsh.
I said your children should be ashamed because you support an unjust war that is killing our soldiers, innocent children & civilians, and endangering your own child(s) life.
Again, my brother served in Iraq, was awarded the Bronze Star for tending to the wounds of a fallen soldier while he himself came under fire…and threw himself upon the soldier to save him. I don’t want him going back because Bush wants Iraqi Oil – which he got – along with millions of dead people. Have you seen the photos of babies crammed in caskets while their howling parents reach towards the heavens?
- 4.5 millions Iraqi children were orphaned, with 500,000 living on the streets without any home or family care
-18 veterans attempt suicide every DAY
- 126 veterans
of all wars commit suicide per WEEK
-11 suicides are committed by active-duty soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan every MONTH
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403333.html
This year will set a new record for war-time suicides, surpassing even general population suicides.
PE Barack Obama had 6 times the individual military contributions to his campaign than did your candidate.
And you’re out promoting this war Pat…that you would put so many in harms way because RUSH told you that we are fighting terrorism in Iraq.
Wiki:
Regarding Saddam Hussein’s ties to terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda, the Bush administration has produced inconsistent statements. Asked to describe the connection between the Iraqi leader and the al-Qaeda terror network at an appearance on October 5, 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld first refused to answer, then said: “To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two.” Several hours after his appearance, Rumsfeld issued a statement from the Pentagon saying his comment “regrettably was misunderstood” by some. He said he has said since September 2002 that there were ties between Osama bin Laden’s terror group and Iraq.[354] Despite statements from the Bush administration, inspectors never found hidden stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, and the September 11 Commission reported no collaborative relationship between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi leadership.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
#36 wendee Well, you’ve just asked me two ridiculous questions. I’ll try to answer them.
1. no
2. yes
November 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Kelly, all you seem to do is cut and paste, so I just scroll through your blogs because they are not your words….
November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Just because John Edwards is a democrat doesn’t mean we support what he did. The same with Clinton or Spitzer.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
shannonp 48
your right about homeschooling it all depends on paretn intent and aproach. and like all things it can good or bad
Pat 53
You forgot ted haggard and larry craig.
Pat 54
….. Bush …telepromtor.. not using it .. sound familiar. . I think OB will make it just fine
November 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Thank you wendee….I wouldn’t think so, any more than I support repubs who do the same thing. Although jb has such a thrill for Bill Clinton, that I think she excuses him for Monica.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
mibi, as I said in #66
November 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Pat you put up a link to Michelle Malkin and I went there and watched the video and commented on it. Why not read what someone else puts up? Afraid you might have to change your mind?
If you don’t have anything of substance to back up any further claims, I won’t address them, because here’s a sample of your opinion and it’s so wrong as to be amusing:
Pat Says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
I’m afraid the big cities are going to be tested sooner come Tuesday night after the numbers are in…I heard there will be big riots either way the outcome….just like they did in PA after they won the World Series…what a way to celebrate. Now that is scary!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
thank you pat
i agree with you and wendeeon this
November 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
If dems or repubs can’t keep it in their pants, it makes you wonder why they think being politicians they can do know harm
November 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Wow bern..you are good at cutting and pasting too…my hat goes off to ya girl
November 20th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
#70…correction…no harm….typing too fast again.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Pat, all you seem to do is regurgitate Fox news or Rush. Those are legitimate stats from various sources because I DO MY HOMEWORK. Don’t take my word for it.
Don’t be a fraud –your simple statements lack source, clarification and certainly any authority. You have been on here a like a cancer – throwing around War, Hate, Fear, Bigotry like it was free candy.
And diane10 you are COMPLETELY off target if you think this board represents the shut-ins. There are many wealthy, educated, well-lived and well-traveled professionals here.
Sorry, you TWO PEAS lose.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Diane10-
cannot honestly understand, most likely because I am a young liberal. You told Roger that you are sorry he does not like that fact that whites and blacks would be the minority, and yet you would be bothered if Christianity became the minority. And you are adamant about gays not having children simply because they are gay, when there are plenty of heterosexual couples who should not be parents. The only thing I can conclude, and correct me if I am wrong is that Christianity is the right way in this country, and if you are not Christian with old fashioned values, then you are wrong?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
#71 wow p…you aren’t good at reading or debating your point…have a great day in America!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
We all have our favorite sites…I happen to like the Drudge Report and Michelle Malkin, just as you have huffpo…we are all entitled to enjoy whatever site we wish….bashing on both sides..
November 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Diane10-
The only reason I asked you “ridiculous questions” is because I am trying to understand your point of view, which I cannot honestly understand, most likely because I am a young liberal. You told Roger that you are sorry he does not like that fact that whites and blacks would be the minority, and yet you would be bothered if Christianity became the minority. And you are adamant about gays not having children simply because they are gay, when there are plenty of heterosexual couples who should not be parents. The only thing I can conclude, and correct me if I am wrong is that Christianity is the right way in this country, and if you are not Christian with old fashioned values, then you are wrong?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
sorry, the first post was deleting the beginning, and I did not mean to post it twice.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
So if we don’t agree with your views…we are a target…how sad….I guess you don’t want me to post my views unless they agree with yours….what an interesting board this will become…quite dull imo.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Fox is revamping because they are SO right and misleading.
Rush has been labeled an ‘entertainer’ because he is not factual and incites hate.
HuffPo shares no such criticism.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Pat
You’re a target because you brought your guns to the playground - again.
Don’t act like surprised. Read your posts – don’t shot fire unless you want a stampede.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
#79
Exactly!! If you’re not into EH bashing, gay rights, and a democrat, you don’t belong on this site
November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Again, Pat, you can ignore it, but I went and checked out the link you put up. I gave my opinion. You haven’t followed up. Yes, quite dull.
You only see what you want to see. Enjoy.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I don’t believe in guns…just agree to people having the right to own guns.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
bern…who really has on the blinders here on this site…????
November 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I’m a target because I don’t think the way you do…kell
November 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Kelly, I may have put this link up before, if so, sorry for the repeat. If you haven’t seen the article it’s about returning soldiers.
I’m going to look up other articles by the author.
http://www.utne.com/2008-09-01/Spirituality/Sharing-Wars-Burden.aspx
November 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Luckily for us, you and like-minds are a dwindling breed. I have a feeling you’re a target in any number of places…not just here patty.
Thanks for the link berndoubt.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
#87 You better find articles that have more than one author…or diane10 won’t buy it.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
wendee, I’ve been candid about how I feel about gay couples adopting babies. There has not been enough research completed to determine if young, influential children will look at gay parents as being normal and will repeat the cycle. It’s not fair to any child to be brought up believing that two people of the same sex is “normal.” It is not normal. Normal is a man and a woman who are married and bring children into the world. Unfortunately, we have parents in this world who should never have children. We don’t live in a perfect world. Quite frankly, it’s not so much gay couples as it is the Thoms Beattie’s of the world. I am certain there are gay couples who would make ideal parents. Until we have some research that that environment would be in the best interest of the child, I am against it.
With regard to Christianity - I believe church is important in the lives of families. I’m not a religious fanatic by any stretch of the imagination. I admire the Latino community because their faith is strong and it seems to help strengthen their family values.
If you are not a Christian with old fashioned values who am I to judge if it is right or wrong? People make their own decisions in this real world. It saddens me when I hear young people say they don’t believe in God. However, I never lose any sleep over it. I’m basically a middle of the road person who believes that our children need to be in healthy environments which should involve two mentally healthy adults. When children are abused or mistreated in any way, I lose sleep over that.
The reason I didn’t vote for Obama was never because he was black. I would’ve voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat and so would the other 46% of the republicans who voted for McCain. The democrats gained a great guy.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
“not influential” meant to say impressionable…
November 20th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
#90 The democrats gained a great guy
and….he preaches “unity”…what will happen to this site?
November 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Maybe the reason you all feel ganged up on is that you are now entering the minority of sentiment in this country. And maybe why this is becoming the sentiment in this country is because the Bush Administration has royally screwed everything up for the last eight years. He got elected….. twice. Republicans were in power, they had their chance, and they messed it up. And now, in his last hours as president, he is working on a bill to make it so that doctors don’t have to perform abortions and can opt out, even though that isn’t the law. That opens up the possibility of a whole new can of worms. So us liberals are passionate because we are mad…… furious at what has happened to this country and the possibility of more freedoms being taken away. So if you feel ganged up on and in the minority, think about how we have felt for eight years, and how maybe gays feel.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
You 3 are the ones dividing…talk about Bass Ackwards.
I posted two studies yesterday that prove you wrong diane10…here’s one:
http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html
diane10 said: “The reason I didn’t vote for Obama was never because he was black. I would’ve voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat and so would the other 46% of the republicans who voted for McCain. The democrats gained a great guy.”
I love it when Republicans use this excuse.
They would vote for Colin Powell, just not the man Colin Powell endorsed. OKAY. They would vote for Colin Powell, and for the man Colin Powell condemned. RIGHT.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
#94 “They would vote for Colin Powell, just not the man Colin Powell endorsed. OKAY. They would vote for Colin Powell, and for the man Colin Powell condemned. RIGHT.”
Yup.
I’m done listening to people who won’t return the favor. Sometimes, I swear, some of my crazy family members are here! I can smell the dysfunction, denial and damage!
November 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
@wendee
yes, i am outraged by this proposal. It not only denies women the right to abortion but birth control as well.
Someone mentioned on this site many weeks ago that if the religious right have their way, women should start getting fitted for a burka.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Diane10, you keep saying studies need to be done to see if children raised by two gay parents turn out. It seems to me you’re assuming those children will have some problems. Well you know what, children raised in picture perfect “normal” families have problems. And if your insinuation is children raised by gay parents will be gay I’m sure Dick and Lynn Cheney would disagree.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Well, until it is determined that they won’t have problems I don’t think we should risk putting them in that environment. If studies reveal that they will, indeed, have an unaffected view of the world and what is normal then I stand by what I believe.
One should never take risks with precious little minds.
Re: Dick and Lynn Cheney - there will always be exceptions to every issue. I pray for exceptions such as the one you mentioned.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Diane10, should alcoholics and drug addicts, recovered or not, be allowed to have children? Addiction can be hereditary so should they risk passing that gene to another? Or is just gays that have to prove they can raise functional, productive, “normal” children?
November 20th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
#73 Kelly Did I say “shut-ins?” I reread my post and couldn’t find that anywhere.
I’m happy for you if you are healthy, wealthy and wise. Now I’m really going to scratch my head.
And, I can feel the “hate” from the liberals when we don’t have the same views as you. You react “down and dirty” and try to destroy through attacking our personal lives. How’s that working for you?
November 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Meeting you liberals at an intersection would be lethal……you only look left
November 20th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
@susieq We have a court system and social workers who are “supposedly” working to remove any and all children from unsafe environments.
Children know when their parents are alcoholics or drug users and they are taught that there is a possibility they will inherit that gene. Education. Jury is still out on children being raised in a gay environment. I will assume that they, too, one day will have information available to them.
Responsible adults will educate their children to the possibility of any and all addictions.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
#94 Kelly It doesn’t matter to me if you believe my point about Colin Powell or not. It was never about race to me. Might’ve been to someone else. Colin Powell brought experience to the table. And, lots of it. I still believe the dems got a really good guy.
I don’t have to offer an excuse for not voting for Barack Obama. Last time I checked I live in a free country or at least for the time being.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Perfect – I’m done talking to you. I now believe everything everyone has ever said about you. Hard to believe you’re older than 20.
diane10 said: “They are the new age of no physical interaction between people usually hidden behind a computer or their texting skills. It’s a new generation of lost social skills who derive their power from their key boards.”
No Physical Interaction…shut-in.
I said: “There are many wealthy, educated, well-lived and well-traveled professionals here.”
I didn’t say I was healthy, wealthy and wise. I guess, as usual, you only see what you want to see so you can make some petty pointless observation.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Diane10
@90
There are other religions than Christianity. Just because people aren’t Christian doesn’t mean they don’t believe in God.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Kelly, I actually learned that “technique” of only seeing what I want to see from this blog. Hey, works for me, too.
And, by the way, I accept your gift.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
diane10:wendee, I’ve been candid about how I feel about gay couples adopting babies. There has not been enough research completed to determine if young, influential children will look at gay parents as being normal and will repeat the cycle.
So tell me how there can be research done is you don’t agree with gay couple adopting?? If they don’t let gays adopt, then there will be no subject to research right? So there goes your argument.
There is however lots of “research” from people who are gay who were raised by heterosexual parents. How then did they “turn” gay. They weren’t exposed to it, so how did it happen?? My ex-brother in law is gay, was raised by a mother & father, my cousin is gay, raised by a mother & father, so what happened? I believe this is proof that a person is born gay, there is no such thing as “turning” gay, or being influenced to be gay. You have to get over your fears.
I was raised Catholic and thought gays and gay marriage was wrong, but then I grew up and did my own thinking. I realized that it is no threat to my marriage and organized religion is a farce and has caused so much hatred and biogtry in the world that I do not want to be a part of that farce anymore.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
#44 Pat Says:
November 20th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Correct diane10, we had better watch out…they are trying to get EH fired by emailing the view site…they are probably right now contacting Winnie to remove us too!
==========================
IF ONLY …
(Reading posts from you & diane10 exhaust me — & YES, I mostly scroll through.)
November 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
#108, I wouldn’t ask for anyone to get banned. I’ve been “snitched on” at TWoP and it just makes me laugh. Someone was mad because I worded a post the same way he/she did and told on me. Hello! We’re out of third grade!
November 20th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
#109 berndoubt - I’ve been on here for about 1.5 years and I’ve seen lots of posters come & go. So far the only ones removed have been for egregious behavior (one posted a link to a porn site in response to a request for supporting evidence on abortion numbers). No one can just contact Winnie to have someone removed.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Kelly,
I love all of the articles and web sites you have found for all of us. Thank you for sharing them with us.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Pat Says:
“Correct diane10, we had better watch out…they are trying to get EH fired by emailing the view site…they are probably right now contacting Winnie to remove us too!”
MY RESPONSE: LOL! You sound paranoid.
Oh by the way, I remember one of the last times you posted…. you were excited over a Zogby poll that had McCain up. You and your echo buds were praying that he’d win. How’d that work out?
November 20th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Pat Says:
“And the bho children singing and the young soldiers marching and chanting about bho?? What say you????”
MY RESPONSE: I say so what.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hey GraceKelly - Stacee!!!!
You’re welcome!!! Glad to see you both!
November 20th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Pat Says:
“Yes berndoubt…you bash people long enough and make them outcasts, this is what can happen…just like how this site bashed Gov. Palin’s daughter for being pregnant, or saying her father was sexually abusing his daughters….it’s a very cruel world at times.”
MY RESPONSE: This “site” did no such thing. There are people that had an opinion on Palin, but leave the site out of it. When you say “site” you imply Winnie did the bashing. She did not, so stop trying to make it seem like she did.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
diamondlil Says:
“Meeting you liberals at an intersection would be lethal……you only look left”
MY RESPONSE: Oh look. A “liberal” freeper joke. How cute.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Kelly Says:
“I love it when Republicans use this excuse.
They would vote for Colin Powell, just not the man Colin Powell endorsed. OKAY. They would vote for Colin Powell, and for the man Colin Powell condemned. RIGHT.”
MY RESPONSE: LOL. Good point.
By the way, who was it that said President-elect Obama’s name was not American. I can’t remember which poster it was…
November 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Hey Kelly!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
#50 Pat–
Thomas Beattie is making money off of all his tv appearances and his book…he’s no dummy, just exploiting his lifestyle
Dont you watch TV?
There is the show…. The Duggars 17 Kids and Counting….. good christians exploiting their children and lifestyle.
Dont forget… Jon and Kate Plus 8… Meet the Gosselin sextuplets, born in 2004, and their twin siblings, as well as the parents.
Those are the parents that leave their kids with others while they go on talk shows promoting their “reality TV show”
Hayes Family (Twins, Twins and Sextuplets)
These “christians” play god so they can have liters of children.
Where is the outrage Pat? When will you start protesting these shows of “christians” exploiting their children and lifestyles?
November 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
#57 diamondlil
Gays rioting in SF, going into churches, making death threats…stock market crashing, GM asking for a bailout, etc. etc.Yes, It’s a beautiful day in America
I see your sarcasm and agree with it…. Unfortunally, the George W Bush policies have hurt our economy. He almost was able to push the problems to the next president, but it didnt work…… the blame belongs on the current president.
I guess what Im trying to say…. conservatism has failed our country. It is time we change that and start working for our country not for what our country will give to us.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I agree Roger
So beings our Uncle Sam has become Uncle Tom, I’m going to sit on my black ass, smoke my cigs,drink my beer, and not worry if I have enough food stamps to feed my children. BHO is going to spread the wealth and I no longer need to worry!
November 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
We the people failed our country. It’s easy to blame the government, but our hands are just as dirty.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
#49 berndoubt says:
“And I find it hilarious that those who won’t accept other people want to be accepted and go to great lengths to point out how badly they are being treated. Sucks, huh?”
diamondlil says:
“Meeting you liberals at an intersection would be lethal……you only look left”
Stacee says:
“Oh look. A “liberal” freeper joke. How cute.”
November 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
21 dimiondil
up your ziggy with a wah wah brush. Enjoy it. Cause can’t even begin to tell you the many levels on which you are off base
November 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
!!!! mibi !!!!!
Well, alright then. Feel better?
November 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
diamondlil Says:
“So beings our Uncle Sam has become Uncle Tom, I’m going to sit on my black ass, smoke my cigs,drink my beer, and not worry if I have enough food stamps to feed my children. BHO is going to spread the wealth and I no longer need to worry!”
MY RESPONSE: Good for you! Keep doing what you do best, I guess.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
#49 berndoubt says:
“And I find it hilarious that those who won’t accept other people want to be accepted and go to great lengths to point out how badly they are being treated. Sucks, huh?”
MY RESPONSE: Excellent point, berndoubt.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
#121………..Sweet lil diamond must be the Grand Wizard of the KKK: She managed to get Uncle Tom, Black Ass, Cigs, Beer AND Food Stamps all into one racial rant. Although I don’t think she used the Uncle Tom pejorative correctly (but what do you expect really?).
I should report her to the KKK Board of Chief Dum-pfuks…maybe they’ll strip her of her steel-toe boots and red laces, force her to grow out her hair and laser remove her Clansmen-Choking-A-Kitten Tattoo.
Oh! And when President Obama gets around to all that good redistribution – I get dibs on her leather crossbones pants and brass knuckles.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
#24
I plan to do that too as soon as I’m done protesting the ban of Prop.8
#28 I get dibs on her leather crossbones pants and brass knuckles.
You’ll wear them well, I’m sure
November 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
#129
Oh no gentle one – I’m selling them on eBay and donating the proceeds to Affirmative Action Committee…in your name!
November 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Sweet!!! Nothing like redistribution
November 20th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
You’re absolutely right Maureen
November 20th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
The uneducated white person doesn’t understand that Affirmative Action has been dead a long time ago. AA is a process that companies have to go through and the overwhelming majoriy did not and never have had AA programs. And most of the companies that did go through AA programs did so because they hired disabled people, not ethnic minorities or women.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Uneducated white people need to learn to read posts. The fact remains that the overwhelmingly amount of companies do not use AA programs.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Affirmative Action is such a joke. And so is the ACLU. I just wonder now what Sharpton and Jackson are going to do for a living….no one can complain anymore about descrimination, “that one” will take care of all that.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
#39
Most of your so called posts were written by uneducated white Dems
November 20th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Oh, #41. I think you are trying to be smart-alecky. However, the post doesn’t make any sense. There’s nothing worse than an uneducated white person who is trying to be clever. The two don’t mesh.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Lopez….You’re at least half right…I’m uneducated
November 20th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
#43 you don’t say??? you ain’t go no edumication??? who woulda thunk it???
Seriously though, I didn’t mean education in terms of schooling. I meant it only in the scope of AA.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
#44
would that be alcoholics anonomous (can’t spell either)
November 20th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
The white giveaway is “so can all the rest.”
In terms of uneducated, read post #44.
Sorry, my dear. Writing I AM CLEVER is very clever-like.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
#47 - correction: …is not very clever-like.
#46 - you are a bore.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
your posts aren’t exactly thrilling
November 20th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Affirmative Action is still being used in states…I believe Nebraska is one of the states that voted against it this year.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
That would makes sense since my intention isn’t to thrill you.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
If your intentions are to educate me…….then do so
November 20th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
It seems to me, that your favorite word is uneducated…you seem to use it in all your posts…Do you belong to Mensa?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
diamondlil - are you a senior citizen?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Lopez…….why do you want to Know?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
if you don’t want to answer that’s fine.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
does it make a difference?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
yes
November 20th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
If I were, would I gain your respect?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
that’s a stretch.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Sorry……I refuse to answer that question…….Age and weight are 2 things I refuse to give out.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
to be on the safeside i’ll end the convo here.
night.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Maureen - I have no case. No vested interest in the discussion. AA programs are virtually nonexistant. It’s virtually a moot point.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:59 am
Maureen Cachione Says:
“Kelly, NO MORE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, haven’t you heard????–barack made it on his own, so can all the rest. ”
MY RESPONSE: Yes. One person is elected president and it wipes all problems away.
Wow, you people really do think think in groupspeak. I now know when diane10 made the comment about “echo chamber” that she was actually projecting. Now you’re on this site, circle jerking about affirmative action when CLEARLY you know nothing about it.
And by the way, women benefit from affirmative action as well as other groups. Particularly in education for such things as engineering, medical and science. But keep touting this because “Obama elected, no more affirmative action” mantra! It makes you look even more uninformed.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:13 am
Maureen Cachione Says:
“Lopez—I NEVER FAILED MY COUNTRY. WE THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO HOLD ONTO OUR VALUES. THE DEMS ARE MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. THE DEM CONGRESS STINKS–THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FAILED OUR COUNTRY.”
MY RESPONSE: LOL. Personal responsibility is a value tat the Republicans touted over and over, yet you’re playing the blame game. Pointing fingers at solely the Democrats in Congress is pathetic. Why not blame our current President, George Bush, who had full power from 2000-2006, with a veto proof majority. Why aren’t you blaming the Republicans in Congress, who have the ability to filibuster, as well as giving the president an opportunity to veto a bill? For the past several years the Republican president has turned a huge surplus into a deficit, had out of control spending and raised our debt immensely. Oh no, gotta solely blame the Democrats for the bulls running in the china shop.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:21 am
mibi
I hope you know I wasn’t razzin you (as some troll pointed out)- I was just surprised to see you let her have it!!!
Not really like you is all, so it caught me off guard!
But I am so glad you did!!!
November 21st, 2008 at 5:51 am
What the hell - did the clansmen let out early last night?
Maureen:
Your comments are laughable. Talk about denial. Head in the Sand. No Personal ACCOUNTABLITY for your ignorance and self inflicted wounds.
Your team - the BUSH Republicans hold the blame for this economy, this war, and for your horribly misguided belief that Democrats - who held virtually no power over last eight years - are somehow to blame for your blinded greed, bigotry and stupidity.
Democrats don’t run the banks dum dum. Democrats didn’t push for deregulation dum dum. And redistribution is a myth put out by your CHURCH and the KKK. “Spread the wealth around” merely means no one gets a FREE pass – we all pay taxes. Do you really think Big Oil has paid their fair share in 8 years? This economy collapse on the Republicans watch – you can’t twist your way out of your screw-ups.
Have you ever worked in a male-dominated environment and gotten 70cents on the dollar to your male counterparts? Probably not – you seem to come by your hate intuitively.
You should have seen it coming - now you get to roll up your sleeves like the rest of us. WE are cleaning up after your mess hateful one - NOT the other way around.
Get off your high horse and take a look in the mirror. Don’t like it – sledge on over to Alaksa – you don’t need to stay.
And by the way- you and your precious Bush administration – have blood on your hands. Explain that to your God.
Pat - diamondlil - pathetic. Do you really feel good about yourself after rabidly attacking people on this post? What do you gain really, except a dirty, nasty, self-loathing that even a bleach bath can’t rinse away.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:00 am
It seems to me, that you and your co-horts have done a better job attacking people on this post and you have gained nothing. Peace be with you my friend!
November 21st, 2008 at 6:02 am
#135 Maureen
I did make it on my own – old woman. I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:11 am
@170
I seem to recall a one ‘Barack Obama’ heading to Washington. So we gained something! Friend.
I don’t recall anyone but you so brazen as to pull the Uncle-Tom-Cig-Smoking-Beer-Chugging-Food-Stamp-Using-Black-Ass card.
Oh, and up your ziggy with a wah wah brush.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
What I find interesting about these hateful fear mongers that come out attacking, is Barack Obama will be their president too. Obviously, by the level of ignorance, these people dont make over $250K a year. That means, when President Obama (I love typing that) sets forth his policies…. these people will be able to take advantage of his programs.
Ill bet anything you like that these same people will still complain about the “evil democrats” while they pay lower taxes, have our children come home from war honorable, receive universal healthcare, and profit from a stronger economy.
Wouldnt it be exciting if these nasty trolls that stop by wind up voting for President Obama for his 2nd term.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am
#133 Maureen Cachione–
I NEVER FAILED MY COUNTRY. WE THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO HOLD ONTO OUR VALUES. THE DEMS ARE MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. THE DEM CONGRESS STINKS–THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FAILED OUR COUNTRY.
I doubt I get a response from you….. you dont seem like someone that allows themselves to be questioned. You say you have “never failed your country” How have you helped your country?
You say “the Dems are making it impossible to hold onto your values” What values of yours are the Dems trying to legislate away? What is trying to be done, is to keep your “values” out of my life so I can hold on to MY values. As well as keeping MY values out of YOUR life.
If you lose your values it wont be my fault… Obviously they werent very strong in the first place.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:29 am
#91 - diane10
what is *normal*?? *Normal* means that one has a preconceived notion (idea) of what *sanity* is.
geesh……..
November 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am
#120 - Roger - I read the Duggars are having their 18th child in January.
http://www.duggarfamily.com/
*Lord, Bless This Family* *S*
November 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Did u see how they announced the pregnancy?
We are so grateful to God to announce that Michelle is expecting our 18th child, due in January of 2009!
So does that mean that this is another immaculate conception?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am
kelly
sorry i had a exam so i had to shut the comp off. but sommetimes ridiculous comments deserve a ridiculous responce . i’ll do better in the future.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:21 am
mibi
I loved your response - as a matter of fact - I repeated it! #172
Hope your exam went well!!!
November 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am
mibi–
All I have to say is Im glad I dont have a ziggy… a wah wah brush sounds painful
November 21st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
#177 - Roger - thanks for pointing that out. What I did see about 2 years ago is THEIR HOUSE! Enough room for about 50! They seemingly are very_wealthy.
I still don’t get having 18 children (I only had one and on purpose - zero population growth - only I went one step further - 1 child for 2 people instead of 1 child per person, and the child turned out well, not at all selfish as onlies could tend to be).
Say, are they Mormons? *lol*
November 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Roger - thanks so much for pointing out the breeders having their 19th child. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? If you want to parent 19 kids (and I have no clue how one could do that well) ADOPT!!!!
What is this woman going to do when she can’t get knocked up anymore?
How would you feel if you were child #15 or #19…..Dear God.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:59 am
#73 Roger “Nasty Troll reporting in” I would love nothing better than to vote for Obama in 2012. I want him to succeed. It must be tough on him counting the days until January 20th…America needs a hero in the White House.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:53 am
For the ignorant people who are against gays adopting. Here are a few questions and facts for you. Fact: Homosexuality is not a learned behavior, people are born gay and lesbian. Ask any gay or lesbian person and they’d tell you they’ve always known they were gay or lesbian. They weren’t influenced by a movie or book. They didn’t learn how to be gay. Just like you didn’t learn how to be straight.
How many serial killers have been raised by gay and lesbian parents?
“Serial killers tend to share the following general characteristics:
1. The majority are single, white males.
2. They are often very intelligent, with IQs in the “bright normal” range.
3. Despite their high IQs, they do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work menial jobs.
4. They tend to come from unstable families.
5. As children, they are typically abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.
6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.”
If we go by the stats above, it’s more harmful for children to be raised in a home by a “domineering single mother” than it is to be raised by two loving homosexuals.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Kelly,
I admire your tenacity and your sense of fairness. It’s hard sometimes to accept that there are some people you simply can not reason with or reach. In any case, you’re doing a good job of explaining your positions.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:33 am
“#23 you are truly a bigoted person. Wow. Though you will act innocent, we can all read between the lines. You are sickening.”
I agree with your statement Lopez.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Finally finished reading through this thread. WOW! I don’t know where to start. I’ll say this to the intellectually challenged:
Just because an African American was elected doesn’t mean that discrimination has gone away. As long as we have people who belittle those in need of aid and those who generalize based on race. We will continue to need affirmative action. Since Hilary and Palin where able to run for president and VP , does that mean that sexism no longer exist? Of course not. We STILL have a long way to go. Just read through this thread and you’ll get a feel for the ignorant mind set that’s out there.